Gender: A Wider Lens

130 - Katie Herzog: Unblocked & Recorded

Sep 8, 2023

Journalist Katie Herzog joins the podcast to discuss her experiences as a lesbian in the LGBTQ+ community, reflections on her influential article about detransitioners, repressed memories, psychotherapy, nonbinary identities, and the controversial topic of preferred pronouns.

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Non-medical transition offers an alternative approach for parents supporting their children's development without relying on social or medical transition.

The podcast challenges the reification of the gender binary and questions the use of they/them pronouns, highlighting the fluidity of female sexuality.

The dangers of blindly following conventional wisdom and the importance of epistemic humility when navigating complex topics are emphasized in the podcast.

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The Rise of Non-Medical Transition

The podcast episode explores the topic of non-medical transition and its relevance for parents who want their children to flourish without relying on social or medical transition. The episode highlights the importance of trusting parental instincts and offers practical tools to effectively support children's development.

Introduction

2min

Introduction of Guest Katie Herzog and Discussion of Background and Work

29min

The Controversial Nature of Therapy and its Effects

6min

Effectiveness of CBT and the Therapist-Client Relationship

2min

Thoughts on Pronouns and Non-Binary Gender Labels

2min

Exploring Gender Identity and Pronoun Usage

19min

Perspectives on Transitioning and Informed Decision-Making

3min

In this episode, Sasha and Stella eagerly welcome journalist Katie Herzog, who is also co-host with Jesse Singal on the popular podcast Blocked & Reported (aka BARPod). This dynamic discussion covers a wide range of topics, including Katie’s experiences and observations over the past two decades as a lesbian in the queer / LGBTQ+ community, especially pertaining to trans identities. They also explore Katie’s reflections from her influential 2017 article on detransitioners, The Detransitioners: They Were Transgender, Until They Weren't, and how her perspective on gender has evolved in the aftermath of its publication. The conversation even delves into repressed memories, different approaches to psychotherapy, nonbinary identities, and the particularly interesting, important and controversial topic - preferred pronouns. Katie, known well for both her wit and thoughtfulness, brought a unique perspective to these discussions, much like she lends to her own work and content.

Links:

Blocked and Reported (Katie’s Podcast with Jesse Singal)

https://www.blockedandreported.org/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=substack_profile

The Detransitioners: They Were Transgender, Until They Weren't

https://www.thestranger.com/features/2017/06/28/25252342/the-detransitioners-they-were-transgender-until-they-werent

A Response to the Uproar Over My Piece, "The Detransitioners"

https://www.thestranger.com/lgbtqitslfa/2017/07/03/25262759/a-response-to-the-uproar-over-my-piece-the-detransitioners

Katie’s Work with The Stranger (including articles linked above)

https://www.thestranger.com/authors/24847206/katie-herzog

A Segment from Katie’s Appearance on Real Time With Bill Maher

https://youtu.be/H5tZZvUUvXA?feature=shared

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