
Arts & Ideas The end of civilisations and societies
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Nov 7, 2025 Guests Luke Kemp, a researcher on existential risks, and Peter Hitchens, a conservative journalist, share insights on societal collapse's past and future implications. They explore real human responses to disasters, contrasting chaos with acts of collective kindness. Neville Morley discusses historical perspectives, while Phil Tinline analyzes the impact of fear on politics. Rhiannon Firth highlights grassroots movements like Occupy Sandy, emphasizing that crises reveal systemic inequalities. The group debates whether today's challenges are unique and the role of technology in escalation.
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Witnessing Urban Devastation
- Peter Hitchens described seeing Mogadishu reduced to ruins and feeling
Collapse Often Brings Altruism First
- Luke Kemp argued fictional collapses are inaccurate and real disasters often spur pro-social behaviour.
Largest Maritime Evacuation Example
- Luke Kemp cited the 'boat lift' after 9/11 where civilians ferried thousands from Manhattan across the Hudson.















