Jacob Shell is Associate Professor of Geography at Temple University and the author of Giants of the Monsoon Forest: Living and Working with Elephants (2019) and Transportation and Revolt: Pigeons, Mules, Canals, and the Vanishing Geographies of Subversive Mobility (2015). He joins me to share his insights into the Canadian trucker convoy, the congealment of radical theories into stale academic orthodoxies and establishment aplogias, the blind spots of environmentalism, plus Ivan Illich, de-growth, elephants, and more.