Glennon Doyle, a bestselling author and founder of Treat Media, joins two-time Olympic gold medalist Abby Wambach for a heartfelt conversation. They dive into their personal struggles and the messy realities of being self-help authors. The duo discusses trauma, grief, and the idea of family roles shaping who we are. They also share insights from their new collaborative book exploring fundamental life questions. Expect reflections on acceptance, the complexities of mental health, and an honest take on vulnerability and change.
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Personal Crisis Sparks Creation
Glennon, Abby, and Glennon's sister Amanda faced simultaneous personal crises that led to creating their book.
They collected wisdom for each other during this difficult period as a pathway forward.
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Trauma Causes Wisdom Dissociation
Glennon experiences dissociation during hard times and forgets her own wisdom repeatedly.
Anxiety and trauma may cause mini dissociations, making it hard to access helpful knowledge when most needed.
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Abby's Grief and Acceptance Journey
Abby describes grappling with grief after her brother's death and facing fears about death's uncertainty.
She struggles to accept not knowing and emphasizes staying present despite the difficulty.
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This book examines the problems of intimacy in contemporary Western culture, arguing that cultural myths about love are often arrested in adolescence. It delves into how traditional romantic love can lead to disillusionment and power struggles within relationships. Miller suggests that American individualism and unrealistic sexual values contribute to these issues and offers insights on how to address these problems through a more nuanced understanding of love and relationships[2][3][4].
Untamed
Glennon Doyle
In 'Untamed', Glennon Doyle shares her personal journey of breaking free from the societal and cultural expectations that had defined her life. The book is divided into three parts: 'Caged', 'Keys', and 'Free'. Doyle discusses her struggles with eating disorders, addiction, and her initial marriage, as well as her transformative experience of falling in love with Abby Wambach, a retired professional soccer player. The memoir explores themes of self-discovery, empowerment, and the importance of trusting one's own voice and intuition. Doyle reflects on her experiences with gender roles, mental health, and cultural conditioning, encouraging readers to reject the status quo and live more authentically. The book is both an intimate memoir and a galvanizing call to action, urging readers to set boundaries, honor their emotions, and embrace their truest selves[2][4][5].
We Can Do Hard Things
Glennon Doyle
Why even self-help authors can still be messy.
Glennon Doyle is the CEO and Founder of Treat Media, an award-winning media company that makes art for humans who want to stay human. She is an author, podcaster, producer, and philanthropist. Her books include the #1 New York Times bestsellers Untamed and Love Warrior; the New York Times bestseller Carry On, Warrior; and Get Untamed: The Journal.
Abby Wambach is a two-time Olympic gold medalist, FIFA World Cup champion, six-time winner of the U.S. Soccer Athlete of the Year award and one of Time’s Most Influential People. She is a founder of Treat Media, and the author of the #1 New York Times Bestseller Wolfpack and the New York Times bestseller Forward.
In this episode we talk about:
Significant personal struggles that happened simultaneously for Glennon, Abby, and Glennon's sister, Amanda
How that led to them writing a book about the fundamental life questions they believe everyone grapples with
Why people in the self-help world don’t always have their shit together
Why trauma leads to dissociation
How to “go on” after the experience of grief
Why we are the way we are
Family roles, attachment theory, and learned behaviors
The possibility of personal change
Our thoughts on the latest season of the White Lotus
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