In a thought-provoking conversation, organizational psychologist Adam Grant, renowned for his insights on leadership, chats with perfectionism expert Thomas Curran. They explore the detrimental effects of perfectionism on mental health, especially among today's youth, and the anxiety it instills. Grant shares his own journey of letting go of the quest for perfection while maintaining a commitment to excellence. They discuss the importance of embracing failure as a pathway to personal growth and the power of open dialogue about mistakes in fostering resilience.