The Psychology Podcast

Frans de Waal || Gender Through the Eyes of a Primatologist

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May 19, 2022
Frans de Waal, a Dutch-American primatologist and professor known for his insights into primate behavior, explores the interplay of gender and biology. He discusses how non-binary acceptance exists among great apes, challenging human norms around gender. The conversation reveals the complexities of alpha dynamics and female agency in primate social structures. Additionally, Dr. de Waal delves into the learned nature of gender roles and highlights the importance of empathy and altruism, calling for greater inclusivity and understanding in human society.
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INSIGHT

Biology and Equality

  • Primatologists prioritize describing behavior without imposing desired outcomes.
  • They believe understanding biology, not ignoring it, promotes equality.
ANECDOTE

Donna the Chimpanzee

  • Frans de Waal discusses Donna, a chimpanzee who didn't conform to typical gender roles.
  • Donna exhibited masculine behaviors and physical traits, yet was fully accepted.
INSIGHT

Dominance vs. Power

  • Male supremacy isn't the natural order; bonobos are female-dominated, chimps male-dominated.
  • Even in male-dominated groups, females like Mama, the alpha female, hold significant power.
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