

Russ Vought’s Power Play Feat. Phil Mattingly
Oct 7, 2025
Phil Mattingly, CNN's Chief Domestic Correspondent, delves into the intricate web of government funding negotiations and the impact of OMB director Russ Vought. He reveals how Vought's strategic evolution has aimed at diminishing congressional spending authority over time. The discussion highlights the political calculus behind targeted budget cuts, the administration’s broad interpretation of shutdown powers, and the subtle dynamics between Trump and Vought. Mattingly assesses whether Congress can regain its spending authority amidst the current standoff.
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Shutdown Feels Underwhelming
- Early in the episode the hosts describe the shutdown as underwhelming so far and lacking immediate public pressure.
- Key payroll dates (Oct 10 and 15) could make the situation suddenly more consequential.
House Member Absence As Discipline
- Keeping House members home reduces risky off-message comments and maintains discipline during the shutdown.
- The move limits opportunities for members to create havoc while the Senate must produce a 60-vote solution.
Discharge Petitions Are Symbolic
- A House discharge petition over Epstein won't compel the administration to release documents.
- Such political moves may have symbolic value but limited legal force against executive choices.