The Tim Ferriss Show
#753: Derek Sivers and Kevin Kelly
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Quick takeaways
- Embracing a minimalistic lifestyle leads to contentment and clarity of thought.
- Mastery of skills precedes passion, according to So Good They Can't Ignore You by Cal Newport.
- Shantaram offers cosmic insights and moral complexities through a vivid narrative in the slums of India.
- Man on Wire delves into emotional depths behind a high-wire artist's challenge between the Twin Towers.
- King of Kong portrays the human drama in video game battles, revealing a captivating conflict.
- Jesus exemplifies creating a unique path for true success, emphasizing individuality and impact on others.
Deep dives
Discovering Minimal Living while Traveling in Asia
Living in Asia during travels helped the speaker realize the essence of living with little and being content. This experience led to the understanding that one doesn't need much to be happy, allowing the speaker to overcome anxiety about taking risks.
Email Writing to Clarify Ideas
Engaging in online communication helped the speaker crystallize thoughts and ideas. Writing emails, unlike formal compositions, encouraged direct and concrete expressions, aiding in the process of defining and clarifying ideas.
Becoming a Skillful Writer to Think Clearly
Writing became a tool for the speaker to define and understand his own thoughts. By writing, ideas and concepts were solidified in a way that allowed deeper understanding and clarity in thinking.
Embracing Voluntary Simplicity and Learning from Experiences
Embarking on experiences in Asia and considering a minimalistic lifestyle during travels helped the speaker appreciate the idea of voluntary simplicity. This experience enabled the speaker to explore contentment with fewer possessions and to let go of habitual anxieties about material needs.
Book Recommendation: So Good They Can't Ignore You
So Good They Can't Ignore You by Cal Newport challenges the notion of following your passion, suggesting that mastering a skill leads to passion. The book emphasizes the value of proficiency and how it can lead to discovering one's true passions.
Favorite Fiction Book: Shantaram
Shantaram offers a vivid and immersive journey into the slums of India, following an unlikely protagonist, blending elements of wisdom and moral complexity. The autobiographical work delves into unique perspectives, cosmic insights, and extraordinary experiences.
Favorite Documentary: Man on Wire
Man on Wire documents the incredible story of a high-wire artist's daring walk between the Twin Towers. The film captures not just the physical feat but also the emotional and psychological depths of the endeavor, creating a transcendent narrative.
Recommended Documentary: King of Kong
King of Kong stands out for its portrayal of a video game battle where a Midwest protagonist faces off against a sleazy cabal. The competition and conflict make for a riveting documentary that highlights the human drama behind the gaming world.
Notable Documentary: State of Mind
State of Mind offers a rare glimpse into North Korea's spectacle culture, showcasing the intense discipline and control exhibited by young athletes in synchronized performances. The documentary unveils the intricate details of a nationwide cult-like system, shedding light on a unique aspect of North Korean society.
Success and Individuality
Success is often misunderstood as fame or wealth, but true success lies in being authentic and creating a unique path instead of imitating others. The podcast discusses how Jesus served as an example of creating a new slot rather than fitting into existing ones, highlighting the importance of individuality and impact on people's lives.
Exploration and Learning
The podcast delves into the value of exploration and constant learning. It emphasizes the significance of trying new hobbies and projects, like building a house, in understanding oneself and fostering personal growth. Engaging in diverse activities not only enriches life experiences but also aids in self-discovery and shaping a reflective and successful existence.
This episode is a two-for-one, and that’s because the podcast recently hit its 10-year anniversary and passed one billion downloads. To celebrate, I’ve curated some of the best of the best—some of my favorites—from more than 700 episodes over the last decade. I could not be more excited. The episode features segments from episode "Derek Sivers on Developing Confidence, Finding Happiness, and Saying No to Millions" and "Interview of Kevin Kelly, Co-Founder of WIRED, Polymath, Most Interesting Man In The World?"
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Timestamps:
[00:00] Start
[05:47] Notes about this supercombo format.
[06:50] Enter Derek Sivers.
[07:20] From pig show busker to circus ringleader.
[10:42] Derek's framework for developing confidence.
[13:05] "The standard pace is for chumps."
[18:51] Relaxing for the same result.
[24:01] The origins of "HELL YEAH! or no."
[26:25] "Busy" implies a life out of control.
[28:03] What inspired the automation of CD Baby?
[33:22] Derek's billboard.
[34:32] Good advice at any age: "Don't be a donkey."
[40:24] Enter Kevin Kelly.
[41:02] Kevin's biggest regret.
[43:13] Finding contentment in minimalism and "voluntary simplicity" without starving to death.
[50:33] Kevin's epiphany when he embraced writing as a late bloomer.
[56:40] Why Kevin promised himself he would never resort to teaching English while traveling abroad.
[59:07] Finding purpose through resilience and the creator's dilemma.
[1:06:50] Why the appeal of being a billionaire is overrated.
[1:11:05] Middle-aged optimization.
[1:15:28] Realizations following a "six months until death" challenge.
[1:20:08] Kevin's Kickstarter-funded project linking angels and robots.
[1:22:41] Why a self-proclaimed ex-hippie waited until his 50th birthday to try LSD for the first time.
[1:28:43] Why a population implosion is probable in the next 100 years.
[1:36:05] The greatest gift you can give to your child.
[1:38:21] The criteria for Amish technology assimilation.
[1:45:03] What technology-free sabbaticals can do for you.
[1:48:53] Long Now Foundation's vision of a better civilization.
[1:53:33] The graphic novel teaching young people how to become indispensable.
[1:54:52] An antidote to misguided "follow your passion" advice.
[1:56:44] Kevin's favorite fiction book.
[1:59:15] The resource Kevin compiled for documentary lovers.
[2:02:47] A name Kevin considers synonymous with "success" (and why success is overrated).
[2:05:46] What Kevin would change about himself.
[2:07:59] Daily rituals.
[2:10:44] How Kevin accumulated enough books to fill a two-story library.
[2:15:19] How Adam Savage from MythBusters transformed Kevin's method of organization.
[2:17:14] The project everyone should undertake at least once in life.
[2:19:30] Does discovery equal invention?
[2:20:12] Kevin's advice to his younger self.
[2:23:16] Parting thoughts.
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