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The speaker emphasizes the need to prioritize SEO over ads, noting that companies often over-resource ads and under-resource SEO. They argue that spending large amounts on ads while neglecting SEO doesn't make sense, as the amount of traffic gained from SEO can be equal to or even greater than that obtained from ads.
The podcast episode highlights the importance of understanding the addressable market and identifying specific keywords and page types that align with the market's needs. It emphasizes the significance of comprehensive content and the use of topics rather than focusing solely on individual keywords. The episode also discusses the value of user engagement as a leading indicator of SEO success, with higher engagement levels leading to better rankings.
While it typically takes around six to nine months to see results from SEO efforts, early indicators include ranking in the top 20 for certain keywords and observing positive trends in rankings. These leading indicators of progress can help determine whether to continue investing in SEO strategies.
Hiring approaches for SEO depend on the company's strategy, stage, and budget. For programmatic SEO, individuals with a growth background and technical skills are recommended. Hiring someone experienced in programmatic SEO is ideal but could be challenging. Alternatively, for editorial-focused SEO, young and motivated candidates can be considered. The hiring decision should align with the opportunity and budget available to the company.
Testing is crucial in SEO, with the best time to test being around the sixth month or later. Testing involves writing AB tests or sequential tests, such as split tests, to make changes to the entire page or page type. While some things are hard to test, like domain-wide scores or interconnected site architecture, split testing remains the preferred method. While tools can assist with testing, effective bucketing and traffic composition analysis can be done manually without relying heavily on tools.
Hiring a writer with domain expertise and a strategic SEO manager is an important part of an editorial SEO strategy. Beyond writing informative and useful content, it's essential to prioritize which topics to write about based on search volume, topical authority, competition, and conversion intent. A clear outline is necessary to ensure comprehensive coverage of subtopics within an article. By involving both an SEO manager and a writer, the workflow can be streamlined from topic selection to publishing, analysis, and feedback incorporation.
Internal links within a website play a vital role in SEO, yet they are often overlooked. Internal links allow search engine crawlers to discover and navigate through a site, helping to drive more traffic to specific pages. To ensure effective internal linking, it is crucial to spread links evenly throughout the site, rather than relying solely on navigation or popular page links. Having at least five to ten internal links for each page can significantly improve traffic and overall SEO performance.
Ethan Smith is the CEO of Graphite, a boutique growth agency that’s helped companies like MasterClass, Thumbtack, Robinhood, Medium, and Honey develop and execute their SEO strategies. SEO is one of the least-understood levers for growth, while also one with the biggest payoff. This episode is a true master class on all things SEO. Ethan shares a wealth of information, including when you should begin investing in SEO, how to build an SEO team, and the three main buckets of SEO. He explains the difference between topics and keywords, gives the exact heuristics and tools to help you be successful in developing and implementing your own SEO strategy, and also goes deep on how to deal with roadblocks and advocate for resources.
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Find the full transcript here: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-ultimate-guide-to-seo-ethan-smith
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Where to find Ethan Smith:
• Twitter: https://twitter.com/ethan_l_s
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethanls/
• Graphite: https://www.graphitehq.com/
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Where to find Lenny:
• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com
• Twitter: https://twitter.com/lennysan
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/
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Thank you to our wonderful sponsors for making this episode possible:
• Coda: https://coda.io/lenny
• Mixpanel: https://mixpanel.com/startups
• Lemon.io: https://lemon.io/lenny
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Referenced:
• Product-Led SEO: The Why Behind Building Your Organic Growth Strategy https://a.co/d/2wkN4dx
• Topical Authority Analysis: https://bit.ly/topical-authority-tool
• SEO Link Analysis: https://bit.ly/diagnostic-internal-links
• SEO Links API: https://bit.ly/graphite-internal-links-api
• Screaming Frog: https://www.screamingfrog.co.uk/seo-spider/
• Brandon Lee of Power: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandonhli
• Similarweb traffic analysis: https://www.similarweb.com/
• MasterClass: https://www.masterclass.com/
• BetterUp: https://www.betterup.com/
• NerdWallet: https://www.nerdwallet.com/
• HubSpot: https://www.hubspot.com/
• Ahrefs: https://ahrefs.com/
• Semrush: https://www.semrush.com/
• Google Search Console: https://search.google.com/search-console/about
• Clearscope: https://www.clearscope.io/
• Yuriy Timen on Lenny’s Podcast: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/how-to-grow-a-subscription-business-yuriy-timen-grammarly-canva-airtable/
• Gokul Rajaram on Lenny’s Podcast: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/gokul-rajaram-on-designing-your-product-development-process-when-and-how-to-hire-your-first-pm-a-playbook-for-hiring-leaders-getting-ahead-in-you-career-how-to-get-started-angel-investing-more/
• Luc Levesque on Twitter: https://twitter.com/luclevesque
• Search Off the Record: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/search-off-the-record/id1512522198
• GPT-3: https://gpt3demo.com/apps/openai-gpt-3-playground
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In this episode, we cover:
(03:53) Ethan’s background
(07:53) Why technical audits are the biggest myth in SEO
(10:05) When to invest in SEO
(16:09) Heuristics to determine if SEO is worth it
(18:36) The three buckets of SEO: programmatic, editorial, and technical
(23:30) The process for creating an SEO strategy
(27:00) Why you shouldn’t be too formulaic
(28:33) What is site engagement?
(29:31) Which pages need to be indexed
(31:49) Topics vs. keywords
(36:33) How to mine competitors’ sites for information
(37:41) Useful tools for developing your SEO strategy
(40:14) How long will it take to see results?
(45:16) Factors to consider when looking to hire an SEO person
(47:33) The functions of a programmatic SEO person
(49:19) How to do testing
(54:06) Editorial SEO strategy
(57:14) How to scale based on the size of the site
(59:51) Page types
(1:01:53) How to win in a topic category
(1:03:12) How to build solid hypotheses and test them
(1:06:13) How to deal with roadblocks and advocate for resources
(1:08:54) How topical and domain authority are determined
(1:16:43) The power of internal links
(1:24:32) Why AI is not usually useful for content creation
(1:28:31) Final tips for getting started with SEO
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