
 Out of Hours: The Podcast
 Out of Hours: The Podcast How To Stay Creative & Entrepreneurial in a Rational World, with Rory Sutherland, Advertising Legend
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 Mar 13, 2025  Join Rory Sutherland, Vice Chairman of Ogilvy UK and a pioneer in behavioral science, as he delves into the importance of creativity in a data-driven world. He passionately argues that irrational ideas can revolutionize industries, even suggesting Elon Musk launch a trailer business! Explore why the Industrial Revolution thrived on marketing and how consumer capitalism impacts family time. Rory also shares thoughts on AI's capabilities versus human creativity and innovative solutions for electric vehicle adoption, making for a dynamic and enlightening conversation. 
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Entrepreneurs Drive Market Creation
- Rational, data-driven decisions by all actors often lead to monotonous and self-defeating outcomes.
- Entrepreneurs explore underexplored spaces, driving market creation rather than mere market exploitation.
Reframe Problems Creatively
- Reframe problems in human and perceptual terms, not just mechanical specifications.
- This shift opens up more creative and effective solutions beyond traditional engineering approaches.
Marketing Fueled Industrial Revolution
- The Industrial Revolution thrived partly due to sophisticated marketing, not just science.
- Persuasion is essential to adoption of innovations, making marketing crucial in technological progress.








