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#606: Balaji S. Srinivasan — 5-10-Year Predictions, How to Start a New Country, Society-as-a-Service (SaaS), Bitcoin Maximalism, Memetic Warfare, How Prices Are Born, Moral Flippenings, The One Commandment, and The Power of Missionary over Mercenary
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- Network states redefine governance with moral principles and integrated cryptocurrencies.
- Bitcoin maximalists advocate for Bitcoin's dominance based on political and moral beliefs.
- Creating network states with one moral premise encourages societal changes and community building.
- Selective quotas ensure hyper-selectivity in community-driven societies for innovative collaboration.
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The Beginning of a Network State Concept
The episode highlights the idea of a network state, reminiscent of coding principles, where certain concepts become core to the entire program. Drawing parallels to writing a book, key elements may emerge that define the essence of the content. A network state is portrayed as a social network with moral innovation, national consciousness, and integrated cryptocurrency, challenging conventional definitions of nation-states, emphasizing the importance of understanding the complex nature of such entities.
Challenges to Traditional Notions of Nation States
Traditional definitions of nation-states are dissected, revealing the intertwined concepts of 'nation' and 'state'. The discussion explores how historical terms like 'nation' and 'state' have evolved to represent distinct entities, often misunderstood or conflated. Examples like 'national security' and 'multi-national' are highlighted to showcase the blurred lines and misconceptions surrounding these terms.
Transitioning to Network Nations
The podcast delves into the potential evolution towards network states, emphasizing the need for alignment on moral principles within virtual communities. Concepts of digital borders and cyber interactions are examined, shaping the narrative around the future landscape of governance. The episode underscores the critical role of cryptocurrencies in facilitating network-based nations and the potential impact on global economic structures.
Bitcoin as a Political, Moral, and Social Movement
Bitcoin maximalists believe in Bitcoin as a political, moral, and social movement. They emphasize the importance of zeal and dedication to Bitcoin as a fundamental principle. Zeal in the Bitcoin community is seen as crucial, with members prioritizing Bitcoin at the top of their identity stack, aligning with a libertarian stance against inflation. Bitcoin's rise is attributed to a network of factors including technological advancements, cultural shifts, and community awareness. However, the Bitcoin community faces criticism for its maximalist approach, which envisions Bitcoin's dominance at the expense of other cryptocurrencies.
Network States and Moral Innovation
The concept of network states involves creating community-driven societies with a focused moral innovation. These network states are based on one commandment or moral premise, such as 'carbs are bad,' leading to specific societal changes. By implementing selective migration policies both online and physically, network states aim to attract like-minded individuals. The ultimate goal is to build societies based on shared moral values, technological advancements, and political ideologies, leading to innovative approaches to community building and social organization.
Creating a New Society Based on Selective Admissions
Creating a new society involves setting quotas to ensure hyper-selectivity within the community. By applying quotas to colleges and workplaces, a numerical target is established for admission or membership. This selective approach aims to gather a highly motivated and dedicated group of individuals, forming a cooperative community where everyone contributes.
Transition Towards a Crowdfunded and Decentralized World
The podcast explores the concept of transitioning towards decentralization by promoting crowd-funded territories and network states. It contrasts the libertarian approach of starting new countries with the idea of forming community-driven structures. The discussion touches on potential challenges like changing cultural fluency due to digital transformations and the emergence of a global network state parallel to centralized entities like the Chinese surveillance state.
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Balaji S. Srinivasan (@balajis) is an angel investor and entrepreneur. Formerly the CTO of Coinbase and general partner at Andreessen Horowitz, he was also the co-founder of Earn.com (acquired by Coinbase), Counsyl (acquired by Myriad), Teleport (acquired by Topia), and Coin Center.
He was named to the MIT Technology Review’s “Innovators Under 35,” won a Wall Street Journal Innovation Award, and holds a BS/MS/PhD in Electrical Engineering and an MS in Chemical Engineering, all from Stanford University. Balaji also teaches the occasional class at Stanford, including an online MOOC in 2013, which reached 250,000+ students worldwide.
His new book is The Network State: How To Start a New Country. You can also read it for free at 1729.com.
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[06:39] The current state of crypto and overall markets
[14:41] Market depth and the Overton window
[20:54] The challenges of identifying possible trends
[24:25] Does transhumanism need rebranding?
[27:13] Augmented reality glasses: the next big thing?
[38:10] Rethinking Icarus from a transhumanist, pro-innovation perspective
[59:20] DALL-E 2 as a compact programming language
[1:02:03] Peter Turchin and cliodynamics
[1:03:30] What is a network state?
[1:17:49] Humans like to fight over borders—even when they're invisible
[1:26:04] American anarchy
[1:46:55] Bitcoin vs. gold as an inflation hedge
[1:52:59] What needs to happen for Bitcoin to behave in the way Bitcoin holders would like it to behave?
[2:24:29] Society as a service: how the establishment of a network state could succeed—without devolving into a cult
[2:49:25] Chinese control; missionary over mercenary; innovation over top-down control
[3:00:57] India's upward trends
[3:05:57] Establishment disdain for tech interlopers (the feeling is mutual)
[3:11:40] Parting thoughts
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