Product Growth Podcast How to Go from PM to VP - My Story
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Apr 26, 2025 In this engaging discussion, Brad Schaefer, VP of Product at Abrego, shares his ascent from intern to VP, emphasizing the importance of real-world experience over formal education. He and fellow VP Aakash reveal key strategies for transitioning from product manager roles to leadership positions, including the use of a career matrix for promotion insights. They also discuss proactive visibility, the role of strategic thinking, and essential leadership traits for PMs aiming for executive roles, all peppered with personal anecdotes and actionable advice.
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Early Career Beginnings
- Brad Schaefer started as a marketing intern and gradually filled in product roles, learning on the job.
- Aakash Gupta transitioned from part-time coder to full-time product manager through value demonstrated in product work.
From PM to Senior PM
- First, fully own your assigned product or feature to be the expert.
- Then, explore unknown problems by volunteering to build new skills and influence.
Master Career Skills Early
- Develop professional skills like effective meeting notes and presence.
- Be one of the first to arrive and last to leave to show commitment.