In this engaging discussion, Brad Schaefer, VP of Product at Abrego, shares his ascent from intern to VP, emphasizing the importance of real-world experience over formal education. He and fellow VP Aakash reveal key strategies for transitioning from product manager roles to leadership positions, including the use of a career matrix for promotion insights. They also discuss proactive visibility, the role of strategic thinking, and essential leadership traits for PMs aiming for executive roles, all peppered with personal anecdotes and actionable advice.