The Drug Science Podcast

126. The body keeps the score with Dr Bessel van der Kolk

Mar 26, 2025

In this discussion, trauma-based psychiatrist Bessel van der Kolk shares insights from his groundbreaking work on trauma's effects on the body and mind. He delves into innovative treatments like EMDR and the potential of psychedelics, particularly MDMA, in healing trauma. Bessel discusses the historical challenges in trauma research and critiques traditional psychiatric assessments, advocating for a more compassionate approach. With a focus on neuroplasticity and the impact of childhood experiences, he presents a transformative perspective on mental health treatment.

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Bessel A. van der Kolk

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Dr. Bessel van der Kolk emphasizes that trauma impacts both the brain and body, necessitating innovative treatment methods like EMDR and MDMA.

The podcast highlights the ongoing evolution in psychiatric practices, advocating for a broader understanding of trauma beyond traditional treatments.

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Intro

2min

Journey Through Trauma and Healing

16min

The Neuroscience of Trauma and Psychedelics

5min

Navigating Controversies in Innovative Research

2min

Breaking Barriers: MDMA in Research

13min

Reevaluating Psychiatric Assessments and Embracing New Perspectives

4min

In this episode, we meet with Bessel van Der kolk, a trauma based psychiatrist, author, researcher and educator. Since the 1970s his research has been in the area of post-traumatic stress and he is the author of four books including best seller “the body keeps score”. Within this episode, he dives into what trauma is and different research into the impact trauma can have on the body and brain. He further discusses various traditional and alternative treatments for trauma and where these may be appropriate for different people with specific emphasis on EMDR and MDMA.

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