

475. Patrick Holden and Danielle Nierenberg on Hope, Collaboration, and the Future of Farming
Feb 20, 2025
In this insightful conversation, Patrick Holden, a farmer and the founding director of the Sustainable Food Trust, discusses pressing issues in food and farming. He emphasizes the urgent need to rethink our fragile food systems and advocates for true cost accounting to reveal hidden environmental impacts. The dialogue also touches on California's climate crisis and its effects on agriculture, while underscoring the importance of collaboration and open communication among stakeholders to address sustainability challenges.
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Dani's Journey to Food Advocacy
- Dani Nierenberg grew up in a small town, initially blaming farmers for environmental problems.
- Her Peace Corps experience in the Dominican Republic shifted her perspective, revealing farmers' crucial role in environmental protection and community upliftment.
Slow Transition and Fragile Systems
- The transition to sustainable food systems isn't happening quickly enough, as evidenced by the devastating California fires.
- These fires highlight the fragility of food systems and the urgent need for change.
Fragility of California
- California's fragility wasn't designed for its large population, making it vulnerable to disasters like fires.
- Regional and local food systems could mitigate these vulnerabilities.