The Kevin Miller Podcast Who You Are Aside From What You Do & What You Produce w/ Wellbeing Expert Jen Fisher
Jan 26, 2026
Jen Fisher, a wellbeing expert who served as Deloitte US's first chief wellbeing officer and founded The Wellbeing Team. She recounts shifting identity from relentless production to being present. They discuss presence over productivity, redefining achievement without self-sacrifice, how small acts signal presence, resisting nonstop busyness driven by hopelessness, and leadership practices that build trust and care.
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Redefine High Achievement
- High achievement can coexist with wellbeing when ambition is realistic and aligned with your values.
- Jen Fisher reframes high achievement as sustainable ambition, not self-sacrifice or constant hustle.
Remove Distractions To Build Trust
- Practice being present in relationships by removing distractions like phones and direct eye contact.
- This builds trust and makes you feel less fragmented and more energized at day's end.
Choose Presence Over Clock Time
- Prioritize presence over mere time spent with someone by being fully engaged in short windows.
- Presence adds meaning and can make 15 focused minutes the best part of someone's day.
