Today we talk with one of the world's leading communication specialists for progressive change. Anat Shenker-Osorio has spend decades working with communities, movements and progressive political candidates across the world helping them to sharpen and improve how they communicate their ideas. Anat brings a deep understanding of change making principles in her work - and today she unpacks where her communications methodology came from and some of its key principles.

This Chat is full of change making stories, many of which are drawn from her fantastic podcast Words to Win By.

You can find out more about Anat's work and method by:

• Listening to her podcast Words to Win By - which is now releasing its third season!
• Reading her book - Don’t Buy It: The Trouble with Talking Nonsense about the Economy

ChangeMakers 2024 is supported by the Civic Power Fund and work with the UCL Policy Lab. This year they are supporting ChangeMakers to bring together a collection of Chats filled with extraordinary ideas and everyday experience to understand how we can change the world, www.ucl.ac.uk/policy-lab/ucl-policy-lab and www.civicpower.org.uk/.

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