618: Chase Jarvis - Never Play It Safe, Work Your Creativity Muscle, Trust Your Intuition, Tell Great Jokes, & Become a Transformational Leader
Jan 20, 2025
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Chase Jarvis, a Pulitzer Prize-winning photographer and former CEO of CreativeLive, dives into the essence of creativity and leadership. He emphasizes that all humans are inherently creative but often lose touch with that gift. Chase discusses the importance of transformational relationships over transactional ones, advocating for a service-oriented mindset. He also highlights the value of trusting intuition in decision-making, and how playfulness can enhance both personal and professional lives, fostering joy and resilience.
Embracing creativity is crucial for self-discovery and innovation, allowing individuals to break free from societal constraints and express their unique voices.
Trusting and listening to your intuition can enhance decision-making and relationship-building, leading to greater personal satisfaction and fulfillment.
Fostering transformational relationships over transactional ones encourages mutual support and collaboration, enriching personal growth and enhancing overall life experiences.
Deep dives
Listening to Your Inner Voice
To achieve an extraordinary life and make a meaningful impact, it is essential to prioritize your own voice over external influences. Many societal expectations and pressures aim to mold individuals into conforming to the status quo, particularly in the context of modern Western capitalism. Recognizing this, individuals seeking fulfillment must consciously choose to break away from these norms and explore their unique paths. The journey towards self-discovery and authenticity often requires people to reject imposed narratives and embrace their inherent creativity and aspirations.
The Importance of Intuition
Intuition plays a critical role in decision-making and understanding oneself, often acting as a guiding force in navigating relationships and opportunities. Scientific advancements have shown that intuition transcends mere rational thought, as it draws on a vast reservoir of accumulated experiences and feelings stored in the body. Paying attention to gut feelings enables individuals to enhance their relationships and life choices, ultimately leading to greater happiness and satisfaction. By embracing this inner wisdom and fostering a deeper connection with one's intuitive sense, individuals can unlock the potential for a richer and more fulfilling life.
Transformational versus Transactional Relationships
Building transformational relationships rather than transactional ones can lead to deeper connections and more meaningful experiences in life. When individuals focus on supporting and uplifting each other without expecting immediate returns, they create a network of mutual growth and fulfillment. This mindset encourages collaboration and collective success rather than merely pursuing self-interest. Ultimately, fostering these long-term connections contributes to personal and entrepreneurial growth, enriching the lives of both individuals involved.
Creativity as a Fundamental Human Trait
Creativity is an inherent quality within all individuals, often suppressed by societal norms and expectations. Embracing one's creative instincts can lead to innovative solutions and a more engaging approach to both professional and personal endeavors. By expanding the definition of creativity beyond traditional art forms to include problem-solving and strategic thinking, individuals can thrive in their respective fields. Recognizing and cultivating this creative spirit can significantly enhance overall performance and satisfaction in life.
The Power of Play and Joy in Life
Incorporating play and joy into daily activities can lead to improved performance and overall well-being. The example of Novak Djokovic highlights the importance of rekindling enthusiasm for one's work by reconnecting with the joy that initially sparked interest in the activity. Emphasizing playfulness creates a more enjoyable and productive environment, leading to greater success and fulfillment. A positive attitude enables individuals to overcome challenges more effectively, allowing them to access their full potential and achieve their goals.
My guest for episode #618 is Chase Jarvis. Chase is a photographer, director, artist, and entrepreneur. He was the CEO of an online education platform called Creative Live from 2014 to 2022. He’s earned countless awards for his photography and creative work including a Pulitzer Prize for a New York Times story he contributed to called “Snow Fall.” He’s also the author of multiple books including Creative Calling and Never Play It Safe.
Notes:
Opening Joke: "What has 52 teeth and holds back a monster?"
We are all wildly creative. It is trained out of us as we grow older. Creativity is foundational to all human beings. It’s on us to tap into our creativity and get it out of us to help solve problems, to create optionality, and to be innovative. Regardless of your job, becoming more creative will make you better at it.
Play infinite games with transformational people. It seems like when we give to others, genuinely try to help them, and have a service orientation, good things happen to all. There are transactional people and transformational leaders. Let’s strive to be transformative and play the long game with high-character people.
Transactional leaders are infuriating. Transformational leaders are inspiring.
“A bird sitting on a tree is never afraid of the branch breaking, because its trust is not on the branch, but on its own wings.” Believe in yourself and your ability to bounce back if the thing doesn’t go your way. Set up a series of experiments. Not all of them will work. You’ll be better for having tried, and tried again, and then again. We learn from both our successes and our failures.
Initially, Chase planned to attend medical school after graduating from undergrad. A few weeks before his graduation, his grandfather died and left all his photography equipment to his grandson.
“Security is mostly superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.” - Helen Keller
"Safety is an illusion. It does not exist in nature, so why then do we seek it?
"Playing it safe is about fear. And fear is only optimized for survival--not creativity, happiness, joy, connection, harmony, fulfillment, or any of the gifts you have to give or receive in this life."
Intuition is everything. What if we started paying attention to that?
"I don't know why they call us founders. I didn't find anything. I built that shit. We are builders."
There are 7 basic levers for life:
Attention
Time – NYU Professor James Carse. Finite and infinite games. Treat life like an infinite game. What’s the difference between systems and schedules? (why are systems better?)
Intuition – The benefits of compounding trust. Chase's wife Kate. First met on a beach just after high school. Sparks were present, but no fire. “She had a special quality I couldn’t quite place.” Went to college 1,500 miles apart. All along it was your intuition that kept you on notice. How do you know when it’s your intuition speaking? Why is playing it safe the riskiest thing we can do
Constraints - What can we learn about constraints from Stefan Sagmeister?
Play - What can we learn about play from Novak Djokovic?
Failure - Melissa Arnot Reid – Replaces the word “fail” with the word “live” – Instead of saying “I’m afraid to fail. She says I’m afraid to live.”
Practice - Purposeful practice. Anders Ericsson
Keynote speaking - Don't be a robot. Have fun. Let it rip. Results are better in a better state of mind.
Do tiny experiments when the stakes are low.
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