I had the great pleasure of talking with someone I admire a lot: Kevin Kelly!

He not only influenced my life directly through his works & ideas but he’s also cited as an inspiration and influence by many of the people that I admire, so I’m sure there’s an indirect influence too!

Among other things, we discuss his new book (order your copy today!), creativity, the impact of AI, how to create family traditions and rites of passage, Universal Personal Interns (UPIs), what is scarce in the universe, making friends with older and younger people, and more.

Please enjoy my wide-ranging conversation with the inimitable K.K.! 💚 🥃

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