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Masculinity Debate: Are Dating Apps Creating A Generation Of Incels?! Lonely Men Are More Dangerous Than Ever!

Mar 31, 2025

Join Scott Galloway, a marketing professor and advocate for boys’ issues, and Logan Ury, a behavioral scientist and dating coach, as they tackle tough questions about young men's challenges today. They discuss the impact of toxic masculinity and the rise of incels linked to dating apps. The conversation touches on the role of father absence, emotional intelligence in relationships, and the need for positive male role models. They also explore the modern dating landscape, highlighting the pressures young men face and how to cultivate healthier masculinity.

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Logan Ury

Scott Galloway

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Quick takeaways

The rising levels of loneliness and disconnection among young men highlight a societal crisis requiring urgent attention and support.

Economic shifts challenge traditional masculinity, as many young men grapple with feelings of inadequacy as their female counterparts out-earn them.

The absence of positive male role models in boys' lives significantly impacts their emotional resilience and can lead to criminal behavior.

Educational systems often disadvantage boys, with fewer male mentors and biases resulting in disengagement and lower academic performance.

Emerging definitions of masculinity must incorporate emotional intelligence, nurturing qualities, and vulnerability to foster healthier relationships.

Deep dives

The Crisis of Loneliness in Young Men

Young men are increasingly facing a crisis of loneliness, with millions feeling disconnected from society. This issue is exacerbated by a staggering 40% increase in young males aged 16 to 24 who are neither in education nor employment. As traditional roles evolve, the shift in economic power dynamics has led to a rise in emotional struggle among young men. Many feel disenfranchised and powerless, expressing sentiments that the system is rigged against them.

Intro

2min

The Struggles of Young Men: A Call to Action

25min

Shifting Gender Roles and Modern Dating Challenges

23min

Redefining Masculinity Through Kindness and Community

5min

Navigating Emotional Expression in Male Friendships

2min

Navigating Modern Masculinity and Relationships

27min

The Dating Dilemma: Success, Intimidation, and Modern Relationships

4min

Navigating Parenthood and Gender Roles in Modern Society

3min

Redefining Masculinity in a Capitalist World

15min

10.

The Crisis of Masculinity and Society

21min

11.

Navigating Modern Masculinity: Finding Guidance and Community

3min

12.

Navigating Modern Masculinity

14min

13.

Engaging Conversations and Podcast Growth

2min

Are we raising a lost generation of men? Is society failing young boys? In this emergency discussion, Steven sits down with expert guests to explore the recently published ‘Lost Boys Report’.

Scott Galloway is a professor of marketing at NYU Stern School of Business and a member of the advisory council for the American Institute for Boys and Men. Logan Ury is a behavioral scientist turned dating coach and the Director of Relationship Science at Hinge. Together, they bring expertise in culture, psychology, and societal trends to unpack the crisis highlighted in the Lost Boys Report.

They explain:

Why young men are giving up on love, work, and ambition
How toxic masculinity narratives are damaging adolescent boys
Why dating apps may be fuelling loneliness and resentment in young men
How rising violence among young males signals a deeper societal problem
Why traditional paths to success are failing modern boys

00:00 Intro

02:13 The Lost Boys Report

03:46 Who Is Logan and What Does She Do?

05:07 Who Is Scott

06:12 How Did This Happen?

10:38 Fatherless Homes

14:40 Are Boys Mentally Weaker?

16:51 Is the Education System the Problem?

22:49 Where Are Male Role Models?

30:08 What the Stats Say About Dating

34:42 Dating Standards

44:23 Do Women Really Want Emotionally Attuned Men?

46:16 If They're Okay, Always Go on a Second Date

48:06 Men's Groups: Should We Have Them and What Are the Benefits?

54:57 Ads

55:50 Steve's Supportive Group of Friends

1:02:42 The Dangers of Porn for Young Boys

1:08:01 How Scott Helps Men With Porn Addiction

1:13:12 Men Approaching Women in a Post-MeToo Era

1:15:27 Teens Don’t Know How to Ask Girls Out in Person

1:25:22 Do Successful Women Struggle to Find a Partner?

1:28:11 Ads

1:29:14 The Rise of Feminism

1:30:54 Money Equals Identity for Men

1:36:09 Does Money Give Self-Worth to Women?

1:38:42 The Human Dating Boot Camp

1:47:33 How Is the Left Going to Get Men Back?

1:52:16 Advice for Parents of Young Boys

1:55:12 What Scott and Steve Had to Unlearn About Being a Man

2:10:02 Closing Message for the Lost Boys

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