Doom Debates Doom Debates LIVE Call-In Show! Listener Q&A about AGI, evolution vs. engineering, shoggoths & more
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Dec 24, 2025 In this lively discussion, live caller Jay dives into the intricate differences between automated intelligence and AGI. His Mr. Meeseeks analogy highlights the challenges of always-on agent scenarios and token/context limitations. The conversation ventures into AGI timelines, the balance between AI offense and defense, and superintelligence skepticism. Jay questions whether engineered AI could truly surpass biological evolution, while Liron shares insights on AI risks and alignment failures, painting a vivid picture of our potential future.
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Gut vs. Reason On AI Timelines
- Liron distinguishes an emotional 'a-leaf' from a rational belief and says his gut feels safe while his reasoning thinks doom is plausible.
- He expects a qualitative threshold where AI self-improvement causes rapid, uncontrolled change, not a smooth ramp.
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Defense Improvements Won't Guarantee Safety
- Defense can improve via AI tools but offense may outpace defense because attackers exploit simple, high-leverage weaknesses.
- Liron and Eliezer expect an eventual uncontrollable AI regardless of near-term defensive gains.