Andreas Malm, an associate professor of human ecology at Lund University, discusses his provocative book on climate activism. He critiques the climate movement's reliance on peaceful protests, arguing that radical change is essential in the face of escalating environmental disasters. Malm explores the moral dilemmas of civil disobedience versus violence, linking historical social movements to today's climate crisis. He emphasizes the urgent need for more aggressive tactics to combat entrenched fossil fuel interests and advocates for a multifaceted approach to effective activism.
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Climate Crisis: A Political Problem
The climate crisis is a political economy problem, not a science one.
We possess the knowledge to act, but vested interests prevent change.
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BLM and Property Destruction
The burning of the 3rd Precinct police station during the George Floyd protests catalyzed the BLM movement.
This suggests property destruction can galvanize movements.
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Property vs. People
Focus on destroying property, not harming people.
There's a crucial distinction between property damage and violence against individuals.
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The Ministry for the Future is a novel by Kim Stanley Robinson that delves into the urgent issue of climate change. Set in the near future, the story follows the establishment of a UN agency, the Ministry for the Future, whose mission is to advocate for the rights of future generations. The novel is told through multiple perspectives, including those of Mary Murphy, the head of the Ministry, and Frank May, an American aid worker who survives a devastating heat wave in India. The book explores various innovative solutions to climate change, such as the introduction of a new currency called 'carboni' to incentivize decarbonization, and it presents a hopeful yet realistic vision of how humanity might cooperate to mitigate the effects of climate change. The narrative includes a mix of fictional eyewitness accounts, non-fiction descriptions, and diverse writing styles, reflecting the complexity and urgency of the climate crisis[1][3][5].
How to Blow up a Pipeline
Andreas Malm
Sean Illing talks with climate scholar Andreas Malm about his book How to Blow Up A Pipeline. They discuss the failure of decades of protests and appeals to curb the actions of the fossil fuel industry. And they explore why, despite dire evidence like the increasingly common scourge of wildfires and disastrous weather events, the climate change movement hasn't moved beyond peaceful protest — and why Malm argues the time for escalation is now.
Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), Interviews Writer, Vox
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