47. Beyond Science vs. Religion (w/ Patrick Barry)
Feb 21, 2024
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Patrick Barry discusses the emergence of a metamodern wisdom school bridging science and religion, emphasizing awe, faith, and meaning in existence. They explore new structures for wisdom, digital technologies, and finding purpose in life, advocating for a more inclusive spirituality.
Secular spirituality bridges the gap between science and religion.
Mystery and awe coexist in both scientific and spiritual realms.
Creating new wisdom institutions for integrated spirituality and science.
Deep dives
Reframing Secular Spirituality in a Naturalistic Framework
Exploring a concept of secular spirituality within a naturalistic framework that draws on the natural sciences. The podcast delves into regrounding spirituality in just natural sciences, avoiding ungrounded propositions. It discusses the convergence of spiritual and natural aspects without dualistic opposition, aiming to integrate rather than separate.
Implications of Awe, Mystery, and Science-Religion Dynamics
Delving into the awe-inspiring aspects of existence and the mystery within scientific explanations. The podcast navigates the dynamics between science and religion, highlighting the tensions around mystery and scientific understanding. It examines how science reveals the profound complexities of reality while preserving elements of mystery and unanswered questions.
Seeking Institutional Cohesion in an Evolving Meaning-Making Landscape
Discussing the need for cohesive institutional structures in the evolving landscape of meaning-making communities. The podcast explores the challenges and opportunities in creating umbrella organizations that balance diversity and efficiency. It emphasizes the importance of avoiding past institutional pitfalls while leveraging digital technologies and community resources for sustainable growth.
Impulse for Meaningful Existence
Embracing an orientation towards existence is highlighted as essential for a meaningful life, as resisting this leads to a diminished sense of motivation and can result in tragic outcomes like suicide. The will to find meaning is described as a driving force towards transcendence, broadening perspectives, and appreciating the beauty of the world.
Significance in Complexity and Consciousness
The concept of significance is reframed through complexity rather than preponderance, emphasizing the unique and complex nature of humanity in the cosmos. The discussion delves into consciousness as a fundamental constituent of the universe, suggesting a deeper understanding of consciousness impacts humanity's potential and evolution towards greater wisdom and responsible use of intelligence.
Patrick Barry joins me to continue our discussion about the emerging contours of a metamodern wisdom school and the secular spirituality beginning to fill in the "missing tradition" between and beyond science and religion. 0:00 Introduction
0:34 Towards a Secular Spirituality
5:01 Awe and Mystery in Both Religion and Science
10:25 "Faith" in What Is
17:18 Being Naturally At Home in the Universe
27:08 Past Church and Academia: Forging a New Kind of Wisdom Institution
46:21 A New Story: A Self-Appreciating Cosmos
58:40 Meaning as Awe as Learning
1:04:18 Significance vs. Scale
1:09:58 Speculating on God and Telos: Finding Ourselves in the Depths of Being
