The AC Podcast Bad Thoughts: Reclaiming Your Mind & Soul - Interview w/ Judah Smith and Dr. Les Parrott
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Oct 31, 2025 
Judah Smith, a bestselling author and pastor, teams up with Dr. Les Parrott, a clinical psychologist, to delve into how thoughts can spark transformation. They discuss the stigma around therapy in church culture, emphasizing vulnerability as strength. The duo critiques merit-based faith, championing grace instead. Their insights on setting boundaries and combating burnout resonate deeply, while Dr. Parrott connects neuroplasticity to spiritual renewal. Together, they explore practical tools for fostering positive self-talk and reshaping our minds.
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How Their Collaboration Began
- Judah and Dr. Les Parrott began meeting preventively, not in crisis, to protect their marriage and ministry.
- Their relationship grew from coaching into deep therapeutic work that seeded the book.
Vulnerability Is Leadership Currency
- Leaders resist therapy because vulnerability threatens projected competence and platform.
- Authentic leadership requires removing armor so people can love the real you.
Share Recent Struggles With Discretion
- Pastors should stop hiding struggles behind polished sermons and share recent, real failures with appropriate discretion.
- Doing so reduces stigma and models a gospel of ongoing transformation, not finished perfection.
