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Ex-Google Exec (Mo Gawdat) on AI: The Next 15 Years Will Be Hell Before We Get To Heaven… And Only These 5 Jobs Will Remain!

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Aug 4, 2025

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Mo Gawdat

Mo Gawdat, former Chief Business Officer at Google X and a prominent voice on AI and happiness, raises urgent warnings about the future of AI. He predicts a 15-year dystopia leading to massive job loss by 2037. Gawdat discusses the need for society to prepare for AI's rise, the potential destruction of capitalism, and the idea of replacing leaders with AI. He also suggests that embracing a universal belief system may be humanity's only chance to navigate this looming crisis.

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AI Causes 15-Year Dystopia

AI will lead to a 12-15 year dystopia before a possible utopia emerges.
This dystopia involves loss of freedom, increased control, and societal upheaval.

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Tech Magnifies Human Nature

Technology magnifies human capabilities, but currently it magnifies humanity's evil.
AI will amplify both good and bad, depending on human ethics.

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Money Fuels Warfare

Money and warfare drive global conflict, benefiting lenders and industry.
War often serves as a means to replace depreciated weapons, sustaining the military-industrial complex.

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Mo Gawdat sounded the alarm on AI, and now he’s back with an even bigger warning: AI will cause global collapse, destroy jobs, and launch us into a 15-year dystopia that will change everything. Mo Gawdat is back!

Mo Gawdat is the former Chief Business Officer at Google X and one of the world’s leading voices on AI, happiness, and the future of humanity. In 2017, he launched ‘One Billion Happy’, a global campaign to teach 1 billion people how to become happier using science and emotional tools. He is also the bestselling author of books such as, ‘Scary Smart, Solve for Happy’.

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