"From A Canadian Point Of View, We’re Bewildered" Featuring Hon. Lisa Raitt, CIBC
Feb 12, 2025
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The Honorable Lisa Raitt, Vice-Chair at CIBC and former Canadian Minister, shares her insights on U.S.-Canada trade dynamics. She discusses the implications of President Trump’s tariff comments, Canada's evolving political landscape with Prime Minister Trudeau, and the Conservative Party’s resurgence under Pierre Poilievre. Lisa emphasizes trade tensions' impact on unity among Canadians and the necessity for robust energy infrastructure. She also analyzes the fluctuating Canadian dollar's effects on various sectors, especially regarding small businesses and farmers.
The podcast highlights the bewilderment Canadians feel towards U.S. trade policies, particularly tariff decisions impacting their auto industry and economy.
Discussions also emphasized the urgency of refining Canadian energy policy to balance environmental concerns with the need for affordable energy amid rising costs.
The importance of the Canadian dollar's stability is underscored due to its significant impact on industries reliant on U.S. trade relationships.
Deep dives
Overview of Canadian-U.S. Relations
The Canadian perspective on U.S.-Canada relations has evolved amid recent political shifts and tariffs introduced by the U.S. government. Canadians are expressing bewilderment at the perceived deterioration of a once friendly relationship as they grapple with unexpected trade policies. Despite historical collaboration, the onset of tariffs has triggered emotional and logical concerns regarding economic implications. Canadians highlight that any mutually beneficial decisions must transcend current tensions, relying on their established integration in supply chains and trade agreements.
Market Volatility and Economic Indicators
Current market sentiment reflects a situation of volatility with no clear direction, as economic indicators such as the Consumer Price Index (CPI) and Producer Price Index (PPI) come into focus. Indicators suggest that the future of interest rates may hinge on these CPI and PPI results, as cooler inflation data could prompt policy changes. In commodity markets, crude oil prices have experienced fluctuations due to OPEC production cuts and geopolitical factors impacting sanctions on Russian and Iranian oil. Additionally, natural gas prices are drawing attention due to low storage levels and increasing energy demands amid a colder winter.
Shifts in Canadian Energy Policy
The discussion around Canadian energy policy has gained urgency, especially amidst potential changes in leadership and rising public sentiment toward energy production. Canadians have begun reassessing the balance between environmental considerations and the need for affordable energy amid increasing costs. The possible return of a conservative government could lead to a shift away from stringent carbon taxes, prioritizing deregulation and energy production. Furthermore, evolving energy dynamics have highlighted the importance of integrating diverse energy sources to maintain economic stability and growth.
AI Development and Canada's Position
Canada is actively engaging in the global conversation surrounding artificial intelligence (AI), showcasing its strong academic foundation but facing challenges in commercialization and implementation. With key AI figures emerging from Canadian institutions, the country is interested in attracting investments and building data centers to support AI development. However, Canadian businesses often struggle with digitization, limiting their ability to adopt innovative technologies. As the competition intensifies, Canada’s approach seeks to leverage its expertise to become a leader in AI application across various industries.
The Impact of Currency and Trade Relations
The fluctuating Canadian dollar raises significant concerns for various sectors, particularly those reliant on U.S. imports and exports. Individuals and businesses involved in agriculture and manufacturing are especially vulnerable to changes in exchange rates, which affect their operational costs. The Canadian economy’s reliance on trade with the U.S. makes currency stability critical, with many voicing apprehensions over potential tariffs and their implications. The ongoing dialogue in Canada emphasizes the need for adaptive policies to navigate the complexities of trade and ensure economic resilience.
Today we were delighted to welcome the Honorable Lisa Raitt, Vice-Chair of Global Investment Banking at CIBC, for an insightful discussion focused on the implications of recent U.S.-Canada trade developments. Lisa joined CIBC Capital Markets in 2020 following an eleven-year tenure in the Government of Canada. Her distinguished career includes serving as Deputy Leader of the Official Opposition and the Conservative Party of Canada, as well as serving as Minister of Natural Resources, Minister of Labor, and Minister of Transport. We were thrilled to host Lisa and hear her valuable perspective on the evolving trade dynamics between the U.S. and Canada.
In our conversation, we explore the Canadian view on President Trump’s recent comments regarding tariffs and Canada’s auto manufacturing industry, along with the broader implications for U.S.-Canada trade relations. We discuss Canada’s political landscape, including Prime Minister Trudeau’s decision to step down after losing party support, the Conservative Party’s growing momentum under Pierre Poilievre, and Canada’s economic challenges and growth concerns. We touch on the unifying effect trade tensions have had on Canadian political and business communities, the potential for retaliatory measures, the need for more power generation, transmission, and distribution to support Canada’s economic growth, and intra-Canada trade complications that impact Canada’s competitiveness. Lisa provides insight into the impact of the Canadian dollar and interest rates, how currency fluctuations affect key sectors including agriculture, manufacturing, tourism, and sports, the deep economic and familial ties between the U.S. and Canada, whether ongoing trade disputes could fundamentally alter the relationship between the two countries, and more. We are very thankful to Lisa for sharing her time and perspective.
Mike Bradley started off the show by highlighting that President Trump’s new tariffs and tariff threats are increasing volatility, but that for the most part, bond and equity markets have been moving sideways. He noted January CPI & PPI will be reported over the next two days which could create added market volatility for bonds and equities. If both inflation reports print cooler-than expected, it will likely lead to intensifying pressure from Trump for the FED to cut interest rates at the March FOMC Meeting. On the crude oil market front, WTI price has rallied this week to ~$73/bbl and crude oil time spreads are pointing to a physically tight oil market. Oil price continues to be impacted by on/off tariff threats and continued OPEC production curtailments but was aided this week on news that Russian oil exports are being impacted by tighter Russian oil sanctions. On the natural gas front, U.S. natural gas prompt price has rebounded to ~$3.50/MMBtu on colder weather and the 12-month natural gas strip is now trading above $4.00/MMBtu. BP indicated on their Q4 call that at current U.S natural gas prices, they were contemplating picking up gas rigs “now” which is a new development. He also noted that European natural gas price was trading at ~$17/MMBtu (~$100/bbl oil equivalent) because European gas storage is draining faster than expected due to colder winter weather and poor renewable performance/utilization. He ended by flagging Equinor’s recent strategy shift (significant reduction in renewables capex thru 2030) and also noted that BP is calling for a “fundamental reset” of their strategy at their Capital Markets Day (Feb 26th). Robert Kester added his thoughts on AI’s dominance in global discourse, highlighting this week’s high-profile AI Summit in Paris and different global approaches to AI, including the U.S.’s free-market stance, Europe’s push for regulation, and China’s state-backed AI expansion.
We hope you all enjoy the discussion with Lisa as much as we did. Our best to you all – and to our friends up north, let’s work this out, eh!
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