63. Understanding Demand-Side Sales with Bob Moesta
Oct 14, 2020
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Bob Moesta, President & CEO of the Re-Wired Group, discusses the importance of teaching sales in MBA programs and shares insights from his book 'Demand-Side Sales 101'. He explores the Jobs To Be Done theory, uncovering customers' jobs, and the forces of progress in demand-side sales. Additionally, he highlights the skills of an innovator and their application in challenging times like the COVID-19 pandemic.
Sales education in MBA programs is lacking, but Bob Moesta aims to teach sales with the rigor expected from top MBA programs.
The Jobs to be Done Theory is particularly relevant during challenging times like the COVID-19 pandemic, as struggling moments can create opportunities for innovation and new jobs.
Deep dives
The Jobs to be Done Theory and Collaboration with Clayton Christensen
Bob Mester discusses his collaboration with Clayton Christensen on The Jobs to be Done Theory, which focuses on understanding why people hire products and services to make progress in their lives. Mester shares his first impressions of Christensen and highlights Christensen's humility and curiosity as key attributes that made him a powerful thinker and teacher. The discussion delves into the relevance and importance of demand side sales, uncovering customer's struggling moments, and making trade-offs to help customers make progress. Mester also introduces the five skills of an innovator: empathetic perspective, causal structures, uncovering demand, prototyping to learn, and making trade-offs. He emphasizes the importance of context and contrast in creating value and meaning. Throughout the conversation, Mester provides examples and insights from his own experiences as an entrepreneur, consultant, and lecturer.
The Relevance of Jobs Theory in Challenging Times
Mester explains how the Jobs to be Done Theory is particularly relevant during challenging times, such as the COVID-19 pandemic. He notes that the struggling moments people face in this context can create opportunities for innovation and the emergence of new jobs. Mester uses the example of Target Drive Up, which experienced a surge in demand when people couldn't go into physical stores due to the pandemic. He highlights that jobs don't fundamentally change, but new contexts can cause people to prioritize different jobs and make new trade-offs. Mester also shares resources for further learning, including The Disruptive Voice podcast, his YouTube channel, and books such as "The Jobs to be Done Handbook" and "Competing Against Luck."
The Five Skills of an Innovator
Mester discusses the five skills of an innovator: empathetic perspective, causal structures, uncovering demand, prototyping to learn, and making trade-offs. He explains that these skills can be learned and improved upon through discipline, practice, and a willingness to learn from failures. Mester highlights the importance of seeing things from different perspectives, understanding cause and effect relationships, identifying struggling moments that create demand, using prototypes as tools for learning, and making strategic trade-offs to drive progress. He emphasizes that innovation is not limited to certain personality traits or innate abilities, and anyone can become a successful innovator by developing these skills.
The Value of Context and Contrast
Mester underscores the significance of context and contrast in innovation and entrepreneurship. He explains that context creates value, meaning that understanding specific circumstances and struggling moments helps identify opportunities for innovation. He also emphasizes that contrast creates meaning, as contrasting experiences and perspectives enable innovators to see gaps, misalignments, and areas where improvements can be made. Mester encourages individuals to embrace contrast and use it as a tool for learning and growth. By leveraging context and contrast, innovators can create value, drive progress, and make a positive impact in their respective fields.
Why are there no sales professors at the Harvard Business School or anywhere else, for that matter? Given that selling products and services is such a fundamental aspect of business, it may surprise you to learn that "most MBA programs offer no sales-related courses at all, and those that do offer only a single course in sales management." Enter Bob Moesta, President & CEO of the Re-Wired Group, and a well-known presence here at The Forum for Growth & Innovation. With his new book, Demand-Side Sales 101, Bob is on a mission to teach sales with the sophistication and rigor that you'd expect from a top MBA program, to help salespeople understand the real value of their work, and to help people who are not in sales to see how understanding their work as sales enables them to create progress in the lives of those they care about. Hosted by Katie Zandbergen, Community Manager at The Forum for Growth & Innovation, Bob discusses a range of topics, including the new Covid-context, and he ties his work in demand-side sales to the theory of Jobs To Be Done and the five skills of an innovator. This is a must-listen for students of the JTBD framework!
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