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#624: Rolf Potts — The Vagabond’s Way, Tactics for Immersive Travel, Pilgrimages and Psychogeography, Empathy Machines, Full-Throated Love, The Slow Sense of Smell, Lessons from Thích Nhất Hạnh, Falling Upward, and More
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Quick takeaways
- Recognize common ground with others to foster connections during travel.
- Finding love later in life can challenge preconceptions and enhance the travel experience.
- Engaging in shared activities creates community and connection while traveling.
- Embrace uncertainty and be open to new experiences to enrich the travel journey.
Deep dives
Finding commonality in the unfamiliar
Instead of focusing solely on the exotic aspects of a new place, travelers can learn to appreciate subtle similarities and shared experiences with people from different cultures. By recognizing the common ground we have with others, such as the importance of family or love, we can foster deeper connections and understanding during our travels.
The transformative power of love
Even for those who have embraced a life of independence and solo travel, finding a deep and meaningful love connection can be a transformative experience. Falling in love later in life opens up new possibilities and challenges preconceived notions about love and adventure. It reminds us of the importance of human connection and the value of sharing our lives with someone special.
Creating a sense of community through shared experiences
Engaging in activities or pursuits that are of interest to us, such as martial arts or other hobbies, can create a strong sense of community and connection with others, regardless of cultural or geographical differences. These shared experiences can foster bonds and friendships, providing a sense of belonging and camaraderie that enriches our travels.
Embracing the spirit of pilgrimage and immersive experiences
Undertaking a pilgrimage or embarking on long walks can be transformative journeys that allow for self-reflection and connection to the environment. By immersing oneself in the experience and embracing the unknown, travelers can find new perspectives and insights while forging deeper connections with fellow pilgrims and the places they visit.
The Power of Travel in Focusing Attention
Travel offers a unique opportunity to escape the digital attention economy and immerse oneself in the present moment. By forcing us to pay non-digital attention to our surroundings, travel acts as a pretext for practicing focused attention. Removing social media apps from smartphones and avoiding constant messaging distractions allows for greater professional focus and productivity. Travel also presents unexpected challenges and surprises that can lead to memorable experiences and deep connections with others.
The Importance of Embracing Uncertainty in Travel
Travel provides a valuable lesson in embracing uncertainty. By letting go of preconceived plans and expectations, one can open themselves up to new experiences and opportunities that would otherwise go unnoticed. The willingness to wander and be open to unexpected encounters enriches the travel experience. Approaching travel with a sense of curiosity and spontaneity can lead to serendipitous moments and meaningful connections with locals.
Appreciating the Duration of Experiences
The duration and depth of experiences are often more impactful than focusing solely on ticking off popular tourist attractions on a checklist. Taking the time to slow down and observe the nuances of a place can lead to more meaningful and memorable moments. By immersing oneself fully in a destination and being present in the moment, true appreciation for the subtleties and rhythm of a place can be achieved. It is these moments that create lasting connections and offer a deeper understanding of a culture.
Navigating Second Half of Life through the Lens of Travel
The concept of the second half of life, as explored by Richard Rohr, encourages individuals to shift their focus from achievement and competition to filling their vessel with gratitude and appreciation. In the second half of life, it is essential to cherish the journey and the life that has been built rather than constantly striving for more. Travel serves as a reminder to value organic attention, fully embracing and appreciating the present moment. This shift in perspective can lead to a more fulfilling and contented life.
Rolf Potts — The Vagabond’s Way, Tactics for Immersive Travel, Pilgrimages and Psychogeography, Empathy Machines, Full-Throated Love, The Slow Sense of Smell, Lessons from Thích Nhất Hạnh, Falling Upward, and More | Brought to you by Athletic Greens all-in-one nutritional supplement, Vuori comfortable and durable performance apparel, and Eight Sleep’s Pod Cover sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating. More on all three below.
Rolf Potts (@rolfpotts) is the author of the international bestseller Vagabonding: An Uncommon Guide to the Art of Long-Term World Travel. His newest book is The Vagabond’s Way: 366 Meditations on Wanderlust, Discovery, and the Art of Travel. He has reported from more than 60 countries for National Geographic Traveler, The New Yorker, Outside, The New York Times Magazine, and Travel Channel. Many of his essays have been selected as “Notable Mentions” in The Best American Essays, The Best American Nonrequired Reading, and The Best American Travel Writing.
He is based in north-central Kansas, where he keeps a small farmhouse on thirty acres with his wife, Kansas-born actress Kristen Bush. My 2014 interview with Rolf can be found at tim.blog/rolf.
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[08:16] Ideal travel partners, living or dead.
[11:37] Breaking the ice among screen-glued strangers abroad.
[15:41] Finding safe homestays while traveling (and why you should).
[19:46] The Cal Fussman method of creating community on public transport.
[21:50] Finding the focus to make your travels purposeful.
[25:55] What Rolf learned by traveling with his senior parents.
[27:44] How Rolf found the girl next door on the other side of the world.
[32:53] Advice for anyone finding full-throated, open-hearted love elusive.
[36:50] What Rolf means by “full-throated.”
[37:20] Nothing makes you appreciate home like traveling the world.
[40:32] The most meaningful task for the traveler.
[45:45] Pilgrimage pointers.
[48:57] Getting lost is good for you. So is taking a break from mobile tech.
[52:43] Uncertainty as a gift of travel — and how to cultivate it by slowing down.
[1:00:21] Books, movies, and experiences that help slow the perception of time.
[1:04:27] “Novels are empathy machines.”
[1:11:06] How travel can give us context for the choices we make at home.
[1:20:10] Contemplating life’s next chapters.
[1:26:36] What compelled Rolf to write The Vagabond’s Way: 366 Meditations on Wanderlust, Discovery, and the Art of Travel?
[1:29:47] Billboards as the original attention economy device and parting thoughts.
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