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The Surprising Similarity Between the US and Chinese Internets

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Feb 3, 2026
Yi-Ling Liu, author and researcher of the Chinese internet, explores how users navigate freedom and censorship behind the Great Firewall. She discusses the origins of internet utopianism, grassroots communities and coded evasion tactics. Conversations cover moderation labor, online nationalism, cross-border social media exchanges, and why technological centralization pushed both US and Chinese internets toward similar tribal outcomes.
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INSIGHT

The 'Dance' Behind The Firewall

  • Yi-Ling Liu frames Chinese internet life as a continual "dance" between state constraints and social innovation.
  • The dance metaphor captures dynamic push-pull behavior rather than a simple binary of oppression or freedom.
INSIGHT

Vagueness Is The Engine Of Censorship

  • Censorship in China succeeds because rules remain vague and shift over time to include ideological conformity.
  • This vagueness forces platforms and users into preemptive self-censorship to avoid punishment.
ANECDOTE

Weibo's Censoring Army Grew Rapidly

  • A Weibo censor told Yi-Ling Liu he joined in 2011 as one of 150 employees and left when the team swelled to ~10,000 by 2020.
  • That growth illustrates how labor-intensive moderation became as platforms scaled.
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