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Tyler Cowen: The Founder’s Edge—Why Visionaries Drive Lasting Change

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Oct 28, 2025

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Tyler Cowen

Tyler Cowen, Chair of Economics at George Mason University and host of Conversations with Tyler, discusses what makes founders exceptional leaders. He introduces the idea of "founder energy," exploring how visionaries like Elon Musk drive change. Cowen emphasizes the importance of adaptability, decision speed, and earning trust. He also shares insights on AI’s role in enhancing learning, why nontraditional books offer valuable leadership lessons, and how leaders can nurture curiosity and ambition in others. Tune in for practical advice spanning various sectors!

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INSIGHT

Founder Energy Enables Bold Pivots

Founders hold unique "founder energy" that lets them make big pivots others cannot.
Hired CEOs manage constituencies and lack the institutional capital to force radical change.

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ADVICE

Leverage AI For Faster Learning

Use AI to interrogate topics and get rapid, deep answers instead of relying solely on books.
Treat AI as a learning companion to pursue follow-up questions and expand understanding.

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Selection Trumps Training For Elite Outcomes

Prioritize selection when building elite programs; the cohort matters a lot.
Use networks to raise aspirations and enable collaboration among selected people.

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Are CEOs Underpaid and Why Many Aren't Exceptional

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Regulatory and Infrastructure Barriers to Growth

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Globalization Increases Cultural Diversity, Not Homogeny

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Valuing Curiosity and Agentic Talent

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China, AI, and Bioscience as Defining Decades

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Surprises of the Last Decade and Prediction Humility

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Should the Fed Be Run by AI?

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Strategies for Demographic Decline

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Political Opposition Versus Issue-Based Critique

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Support for Current AI and Energy Policy

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If Tyler Were CEO of X: Content Moderation and Voice

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If Tyler Were Harvard President: Personnel as Policy

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If Tyler Ran the NBA: Expansion and Season Structure

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If Tyler Were Google CEO: Keep AI Momentum and Tame Wokeness

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If Tyler Were Disney CEO: Make Star Wars Great Again

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If Tyler Led the DNC: Prioritize Electability

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If Tyler Led McKinsey: Turn Clients into AI-Driven Operators

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If Tyler Advised FranklinCovey: Cut Bureaucracy and Promote Up-and-Out

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Advice to Graduates: Master AI and Build Networks

32:16 • 18sec

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Advice on Marriage: Get Married and Prioritize Alignment

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Parenting Advice: Love, Model Behavior, and Avoid Overstress

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Raising Ambition in Children by Introducing Role Models

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Podcasting Advice: Practice and Enjoy the Process

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Music Tastes and What He Looks For in Artistry

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How America Ate All the Low-Hanging Fruit of Modern History, Got Sick, and Will (Eventually) Feel Better

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In 'The Great Stagnation,' Tyler Cowen posits that the American economy has enjoyed 'low-hanging fruit' since the seventeenth century, including free land, immigrant labor, and powerful new technologies. However, over the last forty years, these easy resources have disappeared, and the economy has failed to recognize this shift. Cowen argues that this has led to a technological plateau, resulting in stagnant median wages and distorted political discourse. He also discusses the impact of the internet and other computing technologies, which, despite their benefits, have not significantly raised material standards of living. The book offers a critical look at the causes of the 2008 financial crisis and suggests potential solutions, including a greater respect for scientific innovations that benefit humanity as a whole.

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Powering America Beyond the Age of the Great Stagnation

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Talent

How to Identify Energizers, Creatives, and Winners Around the World

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In this book, Tyler Cowen and Daniel Gross delve into the art and science of finding top talent. They cover various scientific research areas relevant to talent search, including how to conduct effective interviews, evaluate intelligence and personality traits, assess talent in online interactions, and identify undervalued talent such as women and individuals with disabilities. The authors provide practical advice and unique interview questions to help startups and organizations find and retain A-level talent.

Economist and author Tyler Cowen explores what makes founders uniquely capable of leading transformative organizations. He discusses the concept of “founder energy”—the authority, credibility, and institutional capital that empower visionaries like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg to make bold pivots when others can’t. Cowen examines how leadership legitimacy differs between founders and hired CEOs, and why adaptability, decision speed, and conviction are critical in times of change. He also reflects on how leaders can build influence without formal authority by earning trust and creating value in their organizations. Watch this conversation to learn how to harness founder-like energy to drive innovation and resilience. For most organizations, disruption has moved from a distant “black swan”–style risk to a permanent operating condition. Download our latest guide, From Shock to Strategic Advantage to learn how leaders convert disruption into opportunity: https://resources.franklincovey.com/c/tlg-convert-disruption?x=j4G37p&lb-mode=overlay FranklinCovey’s world-class learning solutions—delivered Live-Online, On Demand, or Live In-Person—are designed to build exceptional leadership skills and enrich your culture at every level of your organization. To learn more, email us at info@franklincovey.com, visit franklincovey.com, or call us at: 1-888-868-1776

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