
Teachers Talk Radio The School Trip Debate: The Late Show with Lucy & Nathan
Jun 11, 2024
Clinical psychologist Naomi Fisher and teacher Nathan Burns join Lucy and Nathan to debate the controversies of school trips, discussing exclusion, inclusion, professionalism, healthy debates, ethics, teacher obligations, challenges, and benefits of educational outings.
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Trips Offer Unique, Lasting Impact
- School trips are uniquely powerful for learning, wellbeing and belonging beyond classroom content.
- Naomi Fisher argues trips often matter most to the children who struggle in school and can be transformative.
Attendance Alone Is Not A Fair Bar
- Attendance alone should not automatically bar pupils from trips because absences often reflect hardship.
- Nathan Burns and Naomi Fisher both warn against simplistic attendance-based exclusions and urge nuance.
Reward Framing Can Shame Vulnerable Pupils
- Framing trips as rewards creates shame and shifts responsibility onto pupils.
- Naomi distinguishes punitive exclusion from legitimate accessibility/safeguarding decisions.

