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Naomi Klein on How To Stay Sane In An Increasingly Warped Online World

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Sep 25, 2023

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Naomi Klein

Naomi Klein, an award-winning journalist and bestselling author known for her critiques of capitalism, dives deep into the digital age's chaos. She shares her unsettling experience with a conspiracy-driven digital doppelgänger and explores how conspiracy culture often misrepresents facts but resonates emotionally. Klein discusses the convergence of wellness culture and right-wing ideology, the importance of engaging with opposing viewpoints, and the need to maintain calm in turbulent discussions, all while navigating the fragile nature of identity in a polarized world.

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ANECDOTE

Doppelganger Dilemma

Naomi Klein noticed Naomi Wolf's radical ideological shift.
Many people confused Klein with Wolf, causing anger towards Klein for Wolf's views.

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INSIGHT

Conspiracy Culture's Appeal

Conspiracy culture often distorts facts but reflects real anxieties.
Steve Bannon exploits unattended issues and public anxieties in the "mirror world."

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ADVICE

Listen to Others

Get curious about opposing viewpoints.
Don't just listen to rebut; strive for genuine understanding and humility.

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Navigating Identity in the Digital Age

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Engagement and Reflection in a Mirror World

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Klein goes down the rabbit hole after learning she has a digital doppelgänger who has gone all in on conspiracies.

Naomi Klein is an award-winning journalist and New York Times bestselling author. Her most recent book is Doppelganger: A Trip into the Mirror World. She is a columnist with The Guardian. In 2018 she was named the inaugural Gloria Steinem Endowed Chair at Rutgers University and is now Honorary Professor of Media and Climate at Rutgers. In September 2021 she joined the University of British Columbia as UBC Professor of Climate Justice and co-director of the Centre for Climate Justice.

In this episode we talk about:

Why she says conspiracy culture often gets the facts wrong but the feelings right
How and why you should listen to people on the other side of the aisle
The convergence of wellness culture and rightwing ideology
The precariousness of the self
How she learned to loosen the death grip on her ego
And the importance of coming from a place of calm in the storm

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