Desirable

Confronting a former CIA Spy: ‘Are You Lying About Leaving the CIA?! | Andrew Bustamante

12 snips
Oct 18, 2025
In this captivating discussion, Andrew Bustamante, a former CIA intelligence officer and author of 'Shadow Cell', shares how espionage intersects with everyday life, especially in relationships. He recounts his covert six-month proposal to his CIA-agent wife and the emotional complexities of loving someone trained to distrust. Bustamante explores how parenting like a spy, using techniques like the 'illusion of choice,' can foster growth. He also discusses how the CIA uses trauma to recruit and why emotional security is crucial in a relationship shaped by deception.
Ask episode
AI Snips
Chapters
Books
Transcript
Episode notes
ANECDOTE

Six-Month Covert Proposal

  • Andrew planned a six-month covert proposal while his partner was on operations and lied consistently to keep the surprise.
  • He coordinated parents, hid plans in a CIA office folder, and proposed at the Cherry Blossom Festival under the Jefferson Memorial.
INSIGHT

Three Lives Shape Trust

  • People present three lives: public, private, and secret, and real trust reaches the secret life.
  • Espionage aims to move a target from public to secret life to secure permanent influence.
ANECDOTE

Homeschooling With Illusion Of Choice

  • Andrew and Jihee homeschooled their children and intentionally taught them decision authority with limits.
  • They used the 'illusion of choice' to give control while maintaining necessary boundaries.
Get the Snipd Podcast app to discover more snips from this episode
Get the app