Thais Wilkins, a senior advisor on diversity and inclusion at BAE Systems, and Ashley Shelby Rosette, a management professor at Duke, delve into the real issues of workplace bias. They discuss the shortcomings of traditional bias training, emphasizing the need for ongoing behavior change. The chat highlights the importance of accountability in leadership and sharing knowledge to foster inclusion. Together, they explore how systemic biases can be dismantled to advance marginalized groups into leadership roles and how organizations can truly embrace diversity.