Ashleigh Shelby Rosette

Don’t negotiate against yourself. It’s OK to drop the ball. Sleep. We get wisdom from women who are experts on how we work — and who have advice on how to ask for more money, achieve more by doing less, and avoid burning out. We talk with Duke University management professor Ashleigh Shelby Rosette about negotiating, Thrive Global CEO Arianna Huffington about sleep, Levo Chief Leadership Officer Tiffany Dufu about dropping the ball, and New Yorker writer Susan Orlean about confidence. Then HBR senior editor Alison Beard teams up with Amy to answer a few of your questions about work. Our HBR reading list: “Nice Girls Don’t Ask” by Linda Babcock, Sara Laschever, Michele Gelfand, Deborah Small    “Can an Agentic Black Woman Get Ahead? The Impact of Race and Interpersonal Dominance on Perceptions of Female Leaders” by Robert W. Livingston, Ashleigh Shelby Rosette, and Ella F. Washington HBR Guide to Negotiating by Jeff Weiss “How to Keep Email from Ruining Your Vacation” by Arianna Huffington “Connect, Then Lead” by Amy J.C. Cuddy, Matthew Kohut, and John Neffinger “Women, Find Your Voice” by Kathryn Heath, Jill Flynn, and Mary Davis Holt Please fill out our listener survey at hbr.org/podcastsurvey — tell us what you think of the show! Email us: womenatwork@hbr.org Our theme music is Matt Hill’s “City In Motion,” provided by Audio Network.

Thais Wilkins, a senior advisor on diversity and inclusion at BAE Systems, and Ashley Shelby Rosette, a management professor at Duke, delve into the real issues of workplace bias. They discuss the shortcomings of traditional bias training, emphasizing the need for ongoing behavior change. The chat highlights the importance of accountability in leadership and sharing knowledge to foster inclusion. Together, they explore how systemic biases can be dismantled to advance marginalized groups into leadership roles and how organizations can truly embrace diversity.