Dean Curnutt: Market Insurance Is Cheap, Stock-Bond Correlation Is Positive, And “Interesting” VIX Opportunities
Feb 5, 2024
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Dean Curnutt, founder and CEO of Macro Risk Advisors, discusses the bear market in volatility and worrisome positive correlation between stocks and bonds. He explores the impact of stock-bond correlation on investors and observations in the bond market. Curnutt also talks about Bitcoin as a hedge, VIX as a measure of implied volatility, and market predictions. He delves into the impact of Federal Reserve cuts, debt duration, and historical movements of the VIX. Curnutt explores option pricing, volatility risk premium, and unique market dynamics in 2022. Additionally, he discusses stock correlation and common options mistakes made by institutional investors.
The correlation between stocks and bonds has recently flipped, moving in the same direction, which raises concerns about the bond market's health and portfolio diversification.
Despite the significant increase in interest rates, the real economy has been minimally impacted due to favorable debt terms and longer durations, resulting in low realized volatility in credit markets.
The current low volatility environment has led to lower prices for insurance in the options market, presenting a cost-effective opportunity to hedge against market downturns or volatility spikes by buying VIX options.
Deep dives
The Bond Market as the Central Risk Asset
The bond market is considered the central risk asset because it tends to move in the opposite direction of risk assets like stocks. During risk-off events, when disruptive events occur, stocks fall while the bond market becomes a flight to safety asset, attracting capital. This negative correlation between stocks and the bond market has historically provided diversification benefits for portfolios. However, since 2022, the correlation between stocks and bonds has flipped, with both moving in the same direction. This change has led to concerns about the bond market's health and its impact on portfolio diversification.
The Relationship between Interest Rates and the Economy
Despite the significant increase in interest rates, the impact on the real economy has been surprisingly muted. While higher rates have resulted in a higher cost of capital, companies and homeowners have been able to navigate this due to favorable debt terms and longer durations. The lack of a significant impact on the economy has led to low realized volatility in credit markets, with narrow credit spreads and lower implied volatility. However, concerns remain about the sustainability of these conditions, given the historic levels of debt and the potential risks associated with higher rates.
Low Volatility and the Pricing of Insurance
The current market conditions, characterized by low volatility and low implied volatility, have led to lower prices for insurance in the options market. The cost of option insurance, reflected in metrics like the VIX, is influenced by the supply and demand of options and the level of risk in the market. When realized volatility is low, insurance prices decrease, and sellers of options find it more profitable. However, it is important to consider that low implied volatility does not mean that risks are absent, and the market can still experience unexpected shocks, as seen in the past.
Opportunities in VIX Options
VIX options, which provide exposure to volatility, present an interesting opportunity due to their low pricing in the current market environment. Buying VIX calls or call spreads can offer a cost-effective way to hedge against potential market downturns or volatility spikes. The low cost of these options makes them an attractive way to potentially protect portfolios, especially during periods where market risks are elevated, such as upcoming election seasons.
Low volatility and entry points
The speaker discusses the current low volatility environment and highlights the entry point for buying options. They explain that while option prices are not at all-time lows, there are concerns on the horizon that make the price of entry attractive. The speaker also mentions the impact of interest rates on option prices and how they can create opportunities. They emphasize the importance of having a game plan, consistent sizing, and a budget when trading options.
Correlation and the top-heavy nature of the market
The speaker explores the correlation among stocks in the S&P 500 and the top-heavy nature of the market. They mention that while the market as a whole is not moving much, the top tech companies, referred to as the Fab Five, have significant market cap. However, they note that even among these top companies, correlations are not as strong as they used to be. The speaker believes that the market is not fully pricing in the correlated move of these stocks and highlights the potential impact of an economic downturn on their performance.
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Dean Curnutt, founder and CEO of Macro Risk Advisors, joins Forward Guidance to share how the ongoing bull market has led to a bear market in volatility. Realized and implied vol has fallen sharply as the market has grinded higher, which has created some interesting opportunities to hedge risk. Curnutt notes that the correlation between stocks and bonds remains positive, which is worrisome for diversified investors. Curnutt is also the host of Alpha Exchange podcast. Filmed on January 25, 2024.
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Introduction
(00:36) Preparing For Risk Off Events
(16:13) VanEck Ad
(20:09) Fed Rate Cuts In 2024
(25:49) Volatility
(33:16) How Low Can The VIX Go?
(42:27) Volatility Risk Premium
(46:53) Credit Volatility
(54:02) U.S Elections & Volatility Risk
(01:03:43) What Is The Vol Structure Pricing In?
(01:13:09) When To Buy Cheap Volatility?
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Disclaimer: Nothing discussed on Forward Guidance should be considered as investment advice. Please always do your own research & speak to a financial advisor before thinking about, thinking about putting your money into these crazy markets.
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