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Michael Pettis On China Exporting Of Debt, Class War And Role Of Chinese Yuan

Sep 18, 2020
Michael Pettis, a widely followed China expert, discusses topics such as debt, savings rates, trade surpluses, and the role of the Chinese yuan. He explains how high savings rates in China lead to higher debt instead of growth. The podcast also covers the problem with official Chinese GDP data, the importance of the US dollar as a reserve currency, and the impact of income inequality on global trade.
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  • China needs to address income inequality to strengthen consumption and rebalance its economy.
  • The dominant position of the US dollar as the reserve currency comes with significant costs for the US economy, leading to rising debt levels or increasing unemployment.

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China's Growth Model and the Inevitable Adjustment

China's growth model, characterized by high savings and investment rates, has led to rapid economic growth. However, as the investment needs of the country have been met, the growth rate is expected to decline. China faces a choice between a debt crisis or decades of stagnation as it tries to rebalance its economy. A debt crisis is unlikely, given the ability to restructure liabilities, but slower growth is inevitable. Therefore, China needs to address income inequality, which weakens consumption and hinders investment. The country must decide between strengthening the export sector or promoting domestic consumption.

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