
261 - Jennifer Garvery Berger & Amy Elizabeth Fox: Emergent Leadership in an Era of Chaos
Oct 27, 2025
In this insightful conversation, Jennifer Garvey-Berger and Amy Elizabeth Fox, leaders in transformational coaching, delve into the complexities of modern leadership. They discuss how to reframe organizations as living entities that thrive on love and relational connections. The duo emphasizes creating safe spaces for innovation and healing within workplaces while challenging traditional, metrics-driven approaches. They explore the nature of self-transforming leadership and the importance of cultivating contexts for emergence, all while navigating the ongoing chaos of today’s world.
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Rehumanize The Workplace
- Most organizations run on an outdated industrial model that dehumanizes people and ignores relational needs.
- Reintroducing human rhythms, community, and restoration lets workplaces become containers for thriving.
Humans, Not Machines, Solve Complexity
- Being machine-like is ineffective as work grows complex and computers handle analysis.
- Leaders should cultivate real relational fields where people safely experiment and invent together.
Yearning For Repair Meets Short-Termism
- Leaders enter programs more raw and less defensive, yearning for intimacy and repair.
- Yet institutions often prefer fast, measurable training over the deep vertical development that restores capacity.





