The Lawfare Podcast Lawfare Archive: #AbolishICE?
Dec 1, 2024
In this discussion, Paul Rosenzweig, a former policy guru at DHS, and Carrie Cordero, an immigration policy expert, dive into the heated 'Abolish ICE' debate. They assess the impact of ICE’s operations on communities and whether the movement represents a genuine policy shift or a mere rebranding. The conversation also highlights the evolution of immigration enforcement post-9/11 and critiques aggressive tactics used by ICE. Ultimately, they advocate for substantial reforms that prioritize humane treatment and targeted legislation.
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Abolish ICE as Political Slogan
- "Abolish ICE" reflects dissatisfaction with current immigration enforcement, not a concrete policy proposal.
- It serves as a political slogan to channel frustration over family separation policies.
History of Border Security Consolidation
- Before DHS, border security was fragmented across multiple agencies.
- DHS consolidated these functions, including customs, immigration, and agriculture.
Dissatisfaction with Immigration Enforcement
- There's broad consensus that immigration enforcement is flawed, but disagreement on how.
- Some want more aggressive enforcement, while others desire a more humanitarian approach.