In this discussion, Paul Rosenzweig, a former policy guru at DHS, and Carrie Cordero, an immigration policy expert, dive into the heated 'Abolish ICE' debate. They assess the impact of ICE’s operations on communities and whether the movement represents a genuine policy shift or a mere rebranding. The conversation also highlights the evolution of immigration enforcement post-9/11 and critiques aggressive tactics used by ICE. Ultimately, they advocate for substantial reforms that prioritize humane treatment and targeted legislation.