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All Sparta, No Athens: The Decline and Fall of Empires

Nov 24, 2025
Johan Norberg, a Swedish writer and historian known for his insights on globalization and progress, discusses the decline of civilizations in his latest work. He argues that when societies, like Sparta, turn inward, they stifle innovation and decline. This raises alarms about contemporary trends in America, Russia, and China. Norberg emphasizes the importance of openness and pluralism and critiques the MAGA movement for undermining democratic traditions. He highlights that stagnant empires, marked by extreme nationalism, are particularly dangerous as they resist progress.
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Strongman Populism Undermines Openness

  • MAGA is a radical ideology that seeks a strongman and rejects democratic processes and compromise.
  • Johan Norberg warns that replacing collective, open systems with one leader accelerates decline.
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Inward Reaction Triggers Civilizational Decline

  • Decline combines external shocks with inward cultural reactions that reject openness.
  • A spartan turn inward prevents acquiring ideas and technology needed to recover.
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Russia As 'All Sparta' And A Danger

  • Russia exemplifies an extractive, militarized Sparta that produces little innovation.
  • Johan Norberg says such declining empires can be extremely dangerous internationally.
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