Criminal This is Phoebe Judge from the IRS
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Sep 5, 2025 Ben Hopkins and Morton LeGarthe, creative directors in London, discuss their innovative AI project, Daisy, designed to combat phone scams. They humorously narrate the challenges faced during scam calls, showcasing Daisy's clever interactions with scammers. The conversation touches on the rise of grandparent scams, emphasizing resilience among the elderly, and highlights the darker side of AI in facilitating deception. Personal anecdotes and engaging banter provide insights into the creative process behind DAISY, making this a captivating exploration of technology and its implications.
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Host Tests Daisy By Posing As IRS
- Phoebe pretended to be from the IRS to test if she could scam an English grandmother named Daisy.
- She revealed Daisy was an AI voice made to waste scammers' time and resist giving sensitive info.
AI Scales To Waste Scammers' Time
- Ben and Morton built Daisy to use AI's scalability to talk to many scammers without fatigue.
- Their goal was to make a tangible impact by wasting scammers' most precious resource: time.
Verify Calls That Threaten Deadlines
- Watch for spoofing and pressure tactics that impersonate trusted institutions like banks or the IRS.
- Avoid complying with urgent payment demands and verify independently before sharing information.