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Developer Voices

Software Systems Aren't Just Software (with Diana Montalion)

Jan 16, 2025
In this discussion, Diana Montalion, a coder and architect renowned for her book Learning Systems Thinking, dives deep into the complexities of large software systems. She emphasizes that software is part of a larger ecosystem involving users and teams, making change challenging but not impossible. Key topics include the necessity of systems thinking over linear approaches, the importance of effective communication in development, and nurturing collaboration within organizations. Diana also shares insights on engaging users directly for better software design.
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Quick takeaways

  • Understanding that software systems are part of a larger ecosystem involving users and departments is essential for effective design.
  • Recognizing complexity as an inherent quality within systems, rather than a complication, aids in better problem-solving and clarity.

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The Complexity of Software Engineering

Knowing what to build and how to integrate old and new systems presents significant challenges in software engineering. It’s crucial for engineers to learn the systems thinking needed to assess which changes are worthwhile and feasible. Without these skills, developers may end up creating products that don’t meet actual user needs or fail to reach production stages. Learning how existing systems interact and the value they can bring to users is fundamental to effective software design.

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