#245 The Importance of Counter Intuitive Thinking with Richard Mulholland

Richard Mulholland joins the Expansive Podcast as a guest host alongside John (with Eric joining later), discussing Richard's new book "Relentless Relevance," which explores how to stay appropriate to the matter at hand in a rapidly changing world. Throughout the conversation, they explore the journey from youthful arrogance to mature humility, the importance of creating "safe havens" and "escape hatches" in life, and Richard's personal experience of questioning his relevance after turning 50. The discussion weaves through various topics including the difference between counter-narrative thinking versus being contrarian, the value of genuine standing ovations, and the definition of relevance as "the state of being appropriate to the matter at hand." The episode concludes with information about Richard's book availability and upcoming launches. #TheExpansivePodcast

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