NAD, metformin, and rapamycin are three key molecules that are being studied for their potential to promote health and longevity.
The concept of epigenetic clocks shows promise in predicting biological age and health outcomes, but further research is needed to validate their reliability and prevent the commercialization of aging clocks.
Deep dives
Understanding the Field of Aging and Biomarkers
In this podcast episode, the hosts discuss the field of aging and the challenges of identifying biomarkers for aging. They explore the different perspectives on whether there are reliable biomarkers for biological age and how these markers can be used to predict future health outcomes. The concept of epigenetic clocks is introduced, highlighting their potential to predict biological age and health outcomes. However, the limitations and cautionary aspects of relying solely on epigenetic clocks as biomarkers are also discussed.
The Three Gero-Protective Molecules: NAD, Rapamycin, and Metformin
The episode delves into the three gero-protective molecules that receive the most attention: NAD, rapamycin, and metformin. The hosts explain that these molecules are often mentioned together as potential candidates for promoting health and longevity. They discuss the abundant questions about NAD and its precursors, such as NR and NMN, as well as the significance of rapamycin and metformin. The goal is to provide insights into how these molecules compare to each other and what future implications they might have in improving health.
Exploring Aging Studies and Animal Models
The hosts explore various aspects of aging studies, including the use of animal models, such as yeast, worms, flies, dogs, and humans. They discuss the pros and cons of studying aging in each of these organisms and emphasize the importance of understanding the benefits and limitations of different models. The conversation also touches on the measurement of lifespan and healthspan, as well as the role of epigenetic clocks in understanding the aging process.
Critical Reflection on Epigenetic Clocks and Aging Interventions
The episode critically examines the concept of epigenetic clocks and their application in aging research. The hosts highlight the need for further experimentation and evidence to establish the validity of epigenetic clocks in predicting future health outcomes. They express concern about the commercialization of aging clocks and the marketing of interventions based on these clocks. The discussion concludes with an emphasis on the importance of functional biomarkers and the potential of interventions to improve organ and tissue function as a measure of aging interventions.
In this “Ask Me Anything” (AMA) episode, Peter is joined by special guest, Dr. Matt Kaeberlein. Together they answer many questions around the field of aging with an emphasis on three specific molecules—NAD, metformin, and rapamycin—and their purported geroprotective qualities. They first discuss aging biomarkers and epigenetic clocks before breaking down the advantages and limitations of the most common experimental models being used today to study aging and pharmacological possibilities for extending lifespan. Next they dive deep into NAD and the much-hyped NAD precursors, nicotinamide riboside (NR) and nicotinamide mononucleotide (NMN). They compare data from NAD precursors to studies on metformin and rapamycin, assessing how they stack up against each other and using the comparison as an opportunity to illustrate how to make sense of new experimental data and make smart decisions about how to approach future research.
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We discuss:
Logic behind comparing NAD precursors to rapamycin and metformin [3:40];
Aging biomarkers: current state, usefulness, and future promise [7:00];
Epigenetic clocks: definition, use case, and limitations [14:45];
Advantages and limitations of studying aging in non-humans and the strengths and weaknesses of different model systems [26:30];
Aging studies: importance of control lifespans and the problems with reproducibility [34:15];
Intro to NAD, potential role in aging, relationship to sirtuins, and more [48:15];
NAD precursors (NR and NMN): current data [1:10:00];
Human studies with NAD precursors [1:25:45];
Comparing NAD lifespan data to data from metformin and rapamycin [1:28:30];
Defining a “clean drug” and a “dirty drug” [1:38:00];
Reason for the lack of rapamycin studies in humans compared to NAD and metformin [1:41:00];
Ranking the geroprotective molecules in terms of risk and reward [1:48:00]; and