In this episode, Jessi Hempel speaks with Michèle Lamont, a professor of sociology and African American studies at Harvard University. They discuss the importance of recognition in diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives, the burden on people of color to educate others about diversity, recent Supreme Court decisions impacting affirmative action and trans rights, local actions in response to climate change, and the relevance of women writers throughout history.
For effective diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs, recognition and creating a culture of belonging are more impactful than forced diversity training.
The involvement of younger generations, such as Gen Z and Millennials, is a positive force for change in creating a more inclusive society and workplace.
Deep dives
Rethinking DEI with a Focus on Recognition
Dr. Michelle Lamont, a professor of sociology and African American studies at Harvard University, argues that the current approach to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs is ineffective. She highlights research that shows forced diversity training often leads to resentment and shame. Instead, Lamont emphasizes the importance of recognition, creating a culture of belonging, and fostering open conversations about feeling ignored or invisible. Lamont suggests the need for mentors who are trained to have respectful conversations and ensure a climate of belonging. She also discusses the burden on underrepresented groups to educate others and advocates for a more collective approach to DEI that humanizes employees and creates better working conditions.
The Role of Gen Z and Millennials in Fostering Inclusion
Michelle Lamont is optimistic about the impact of the younger generation, particularly Gen Z and Millennials, on creating a more inclusive society. She observes the growing involvement of young people in politics and local activism, seeking to effect change at the community level. Lamont highlights the recent labor strikes led by younger workers demanding better conditions, including dignity in the workplace. She emphasizes the importance of listening to the concerns and pressures of younger workers to create a more inclusive workplace. Lamont sees their involvement as a positive force for change in society.
Challenging Neoliberal Scripts of Self and Reimagining the American Dream
Michelle Lamont addresses the impact of neoliberal scripts of self that prioritize individualism and personal gain. She critiques Ayn Rand's perspective on self-interest and highlights the detrimental effects of such an approach. Lamont discusses the need to shift away from capitalism as the central driver of our identities and highlights alternative ways of defining an ideal life. She explores the concept of recognition and emphasizes the importance of treating all humans with dignity. Lamont suggests reimagining the American Dream to focus on building a more equal and inclusive society, acknowledging the needs and value of all individuals.
Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion initiatives have changed rapidly over the years, and often not for the better. Many companies quickly hired DEI professionals and then dissolved these roles just as fast. Our guest today has put years of research into strategies that encourage workplaces to embrace social inclusion and for her, the solution lies in the power of recognition. Michèle Lamont is a professor of sociology and African American studies at Harvard University. Her newest book, Seeing Others: How Recognition Works—and How It Can Heal a Divided World taps into the universal desire to be seen and respected in favor of a more inclusive society. She sat down with Jessi to share a few of the insights she collected while conducting research for her book.