2.60 Andy Naselli, David Schrock, Stephen Wellum • Interview • "What Is the Spectrum of Major Views on Political Theology? A Proposed Taxonomy of Seven Views on Religion and Government
Nov 15, 2023
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Andy Naselli, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum discuss a taxonomy of views on religion and government in political theology. They explore different perspectives, including classical liberalism, Christian nationalism, and the enforcement of religion by government. The speakers examine the historical context of these views, the influence of religious beliefs on government, and the importance of unity within the church.
There are seven main perspectives on the relationship between religion and government, ranging from secular suppression to the fusion of government and religion.
Collaborating with colleagues who hold different views on political theology is crucial for productive discussions and minimizing divisions within the Christian community.
Seeking out comprehensive resources on political theology, such as David K. Innis's book, can help individuals gain a deeper understanding of the subject and its various perspectives.
Deep dives
Different Views on Religion and Government
There are seven main perspectives when it comes to the relationship between religion and government. The first perspective is secular suppression, where the government suppresses religion entirely, as seen in Marxism. The second perspective is religious separation, which argues for a radical separation between religion and government, exemplified by the Anabaptists. The third perspective is religious neutrality, believing that the government should be religiously neutral and not favor any particular religion. Classical liberalism and thinkers like John Rawls fit into this category. The fourth perspective is religious influence, where religion may influence the government within certain limits, but the government should not exclusively promote one religion. Many Baptists hold this view, along with theologians like Wayne Grudem and John Piper. The fifth perspective is similar to the fourth, but emphasizes influence over institutionalization. Christians can influence the government, but the government should not institutionalize Christianity. This is a common view in Baptist circles. The sixth perspective is government over religion, where the government governs and enforces religion, often seen in Islamic countries. And finally, the seventh perspective is the fusion of government and religion, where the government and religion are inseparable, often found in totalitarian regimes. These different views offer a range of positions on the relationship between religion and government, and can inform discussions on political theology.
Working Together despite Differences
While there are various perspectives on the relationship between religion and government, it is essential to work together despite these differences. Collaborating with colleagues and fellow believers who hold different views can be beneficial and productive. Divisions within the broader Christian community should be minimized, recognizing the common bond of faith in Christ. While individual preferences for a particular perspective may exist, finding common ground and having respectful conversations about political theology is crucial.
Challenges in Systematizing Political Theology
Systematizing the different views on political theology can be challenging, as there are limited resources available. Despite this challenge, it is important to seek out books and studies that explore the topic in depth. One recommended resource is David K. Innis's book, which provides a comprehensive overview of the subject. Engaging with such resources can help individuals gain a better understanding of political theology and the various perspectives within it.
View 4: Church influences government
View 4 suggests that there should be a strong influence of the church on government, with the church's mission being to make disciples. This view argues for Christians to actively engage in the political sphere and advocate for laws that align with Christian values. It suggests that government should promote a just social order based on a right understanding of God and man. For example, this could involve promoting marriage and the family while discouraging practices such as adultery, homosexuality, and pornography.
View 5: Christian government
View 5 suggests a Christian government in which the church and government work together under God's ultimate authority. This view argues for the government to identify as a Christian government and base its laws and customs on God's authority. It also emphasizes the pursuit of justice and the promotion of a just social order. The government would encourage citizens to fear the living God and create cultural conditions conducive for conversion and the common good. This may involve promoting marriage and family while discouraging practices contrary to Christian beliefs.
Listen in as David Schrock and Stephen Wellum catch up with Andy Naselli to discuss his recent longform essay for Christ Over All in which Andy provides a taxonomy of views on religion and government.
Timestamps
Introduction - 00:44
Where Did Andy Naselli Begin Studying the Issues of Political Theology? – 02:55
Naselli’s Internship With American Reformer 04:14
Dr. Wellum’s Take on Naselli’s Article – 05:21
Defining ‘Religion’ and ‘Government’ and Why Those Terms are Better for this Conversation - 07:16
Notable Things in The First and Second Views - 10:00
Unpacking the Third View (Classical Liberalism) - 13:46
Knowing About John Rawls - 16:08
The Fourth View – 17:20
View Four and Five are Not Christian Nationalists - 21:12
First and Second Tables of the Law Applying Today with Views Four & Five - 22:06
Did the ‘Baptist Project’ Require Christendom? - 23:34
The Fifth View and the Magisterial Reformers - 27:00
What About the In-between Views? - 34:25
The Sixth View, Rushdoony, and Islam- 37:26
The Seventh View: Government Enforcing Religion - 42:16
Reflections After Research - 46:22
Where Should We Start With Political Theology? - 51:21
What to Do Right Now? - 57:00
Final Thoughts – 1:01:38
Outro - 1:03:51
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