Christ Over All

ABOUT THE EPISODEListen in as David Schrock & Trent Hunter interview Charles Lyons and Jordan Howe on their respective articles for Christ Over All and Center for Baptist LeadershipTimestamps00:25 – Intro03:43 – The incident at Cities Church Hits Close to Home06:08 – How David Met Charles Lyons08:00 – Charles Lyons’ Story22:32 – Having a Plan in Place26:23 – Distinguishing Between Different Incidents & What to Do28:48 – How to Onboard Well for a Safety Team33:08 – What Did It Look Like for the Ushers to Remove Disruptors?37:32 – What Should Be Said to Them? What Type of Force is Righteous in that Situation?41:54 – The Value of Having Song and Other Strategies to Have in Mind45:50 – The Mind of the Pastor in the Moment to Act49:00 – Closing Thoughts & Ending on a Note of Song54:10 – Closing Prayer from Trent55:58 – Outro Resources to Click“Protestors are Coming to Your Church Are You Ready? Twenty-Five Action Steps Before the Day Comes” – Charles Lyons“When Worship is Attacked, Churches Must Be Prepared to Restore Order” – Jordan HoweKingdom Defense MinistriesCity Hope InternationalTheme of the Month: The God Who is There: Contemplating the Doctrine of GodGive to Support the Work

ABOUT THE EPISODEWe want to abolish abortion. And we can do that better when we are united in making incremental political victories.Resources to Click“Incrementalists and Abolition Together?” – Ryan Helfenbein“Voters in Kanasas decide to keep abortion legal in the state, rejecting an amendment” – Dylan Lysen, Laura Ziegler, Blaise Mesa“Kentucky Amendment 2: Exclude Right to Abortion from Constitution Amendment (2022)” – Ballotpedia“Ohio Issue 1, Right to Make Reproductive Decisions Including Abortion Initiative (2023)” – Ballotpedia“Medication Abortions Accounted for 63% of All US Abortions in 2023, an Increase from 53% in 2020” – Guttmacher InstituteLousiana State Legislature, HB 813, 2022 Regular SessionIndiana General Assembly, HB 1539, 2021 Session“Anti-abortion groups split over proposal that could make SC’s ban the strictest nationwide” – Sklar Laird“I Was an Anti-Abortion Crusader. Now I support Roe v. Wade” – Rob Schenck“An Open Letter to State Lawmakers from America’s Leading Pro-Life Organizations” – National Right to Life“Ballot Tracker: Abortion-Related State Constitutional Amendment Measures Confirmed for the 2024 Election in 10 States” – KFF“Results for abortion-related ballot measures, 2024” – BallotpediaTheme of the Month: Abolishing Abortion, Advocating for LifeGive to Support the Work

ABOUT THE EPISODEListen in as David Schrock and Stephen Wellum interview Ginna Cross on her COA Article "Is Every Woman Who Pursues Abortion a Victim?: The Feminist Capture of the Pro-Life Movement"Timestamps00:50 – Intro05:27 – Ginna Cross’ Background and How She Became Interested in the Life Issue09:17 – What is Unique about Alliance Family Services?11:42 – Being an Abolitionist and Part of Pregnancy Care Center12:48 – Dr. Wellum and His Wife’s Ministry in Pregnancy Care Centers14:30 – How Did Ginna Become an Abolitionist?21:05 – What is the Counsel That is Given at Most Pregnancy Care Centers?24:26 – Poor Theology Gives Way to Poor Counsel and Poor Presentation of the Gospel29:36 – Abolitionists are Concerned about Pregnancy Care Centers34:38 – The Weakening of the Pro-Life Movement38:54 – Feminism and A Therapeutic Approach in the Pro-Life Movement43:57 – If It is Legal It is Moral50:44 – The Place for Men in The Fight Against Abortion57:26 – The Need to See What is at Stake1:01:38 – Where You Can Contact Ginna1:03:00 – Outro Resources to Click“Is Every Woman Who Pursues Abortion a Victim?: The Feminist Capture of the Pro-Life Movement” – Ginna CrossAlliance Family ServicesTheme of the Month: Abolishing Abortion, Advocating for LifeGive to Support the Work

ABOUT THE EPISODEListen in to a special interview as COA's David Schrock and Stephen Wellum are joined by Steve Deace to talk about the best way to strategize and save lives, including a breakdown of the state of the Pro-Life and Abolitionist movements.Timestamps00:42 – Intro05:16 – How Do We Think About Incrementalism & Abolitionism? What is Most Effective?13:30 – What are Steps We Can Take to Disciple Zealous Brothers?22:17 – What is Recommended for Our Churches?26:57 – What Media is Most Effective in This Battle?30:50 – The Groundwork that Must Be Laid32:36 – What Would You Say for Pastors Who Consider This Too Political?36:27 – OutroResourcesThe Steve Deace ShowThe SBC’s Turning Point (ft. Steve Deace) – Center For Baptist LeadershipTheme of the Month: Abolishing Abortion, Advocating for LifeGive to Support the Work

ABOUT THE EPISODEWhat is more sterilizing and depersonalizing than a simple pill? Sadly, in a post-Dobbs world, the abortion pill as been used to perpetuate the slaughter of children in states that have supposedly strict restrictions on the practice. Read as Senator Dusty Deevers explains how the Pro-life movement has been unable to answer the question of “abortion pills.”Resources to Click“Equal Protection or Bust: Why Abolitionists Have the Only Answer to the Abortion Pill Crisis” – Dusty Deevers“Abortion Trends Before and After Dobbs” – Karen Diep, Bryana Castillo Sanchez, Usha Ranji, and Alina Salganicoff“LifeNews Lies” – Foundation to Abolish AbortionStudents for Life Action X Post“Babies Unprotected: An Analysis of Self-Induced Abortion Numbers in States with “Bans”” – Foundation to Abolish AbortionABORTION is Still Legal in All 50 States – Abolitionists RisingEPIC Speech at Oklahoma Capitol by Abolitionist Pastor Dusty Deevers – Abolitionists Rising“Pro-Life Texas State Rep. Jeff Leach Delivers Death Sentence to 110,000 Preborn Human Beings” – James Silberman“An Open Letter to State Lawmakers from America’s Leading Pro-Life Organizations”Oklahoma | SB 456 | Judiciary Committee Hearing (2025) – Foundation to Abolish AbortionTheme of the Month: Abolishing Abortion, Advocating for LifeGive to Support the Work

ABOUT THE EPISODEMany pro-life organizations are failing in their mission to save babies. But why? Ben Zeisloft sees not only a problem with the execution of pro-life bills and strategies, but understands them to be anemic half measures. Read on as Ben presents a case for abortion abolitionism as the answer to our nation’s abortion epidemic.Resources to Click“A Case for Abolitionism: The Only Way to End Abortion in America” – Ben Zeisloft“How Pro-Life Leaders Betray the One Truth They Can’t Afford to Compromise” – Ben Zeisloft“How the ERLC Works Against Ending Abortion” – Ben Zeisloft#WeCount Report, April 2022 to June 2025“An Open Letter to State Lawmakers from America’s Leading Pro-Life Organizations”“Biblical Principles on Equal Protection of the Laws for Preborn Children” – Foundation to Abolish Abortion“Texas Pro-Life Bill Fails to Adequately Address Self-Induced Abortion Epidemic” – Bradley Pierce“A Case for Abortion Incrementalism” – David ClossonTheme of the Month: Abolishing Abortion, Advocating for LifeGive to Support the Work

ABOUT THE EPISODEListen in as David Schrock & Stephen Wellum interview David Closson on his COA Longform Essay "A Case for Abortion Incrementalism"Timestamps00:30 – Intro04:30 – How Did David Closson Become Impassioned about the Issue of Abortion?06:40 – What Should People Take Away from David Closson’s Book?09:00 – What Did Francis Schaeffer Argue For? Why Was No One Else Arguing Against Abortion?12:36 – Anything to Be Encouraged or Discouraged By in Recent Years?16:53 – The Differences Between Abolitionism and Incrementalism19:00 – Is There a Way These Movements Can Work Together?22:50 – Bill HR3755 and Abolitionists25:50 – Are Incremental Bills More Effective?27:47 – Is It Necessary for Pro-Life Advocates to Oppose Abolitionist Bills?30:20 – Are Pro-Life Advocates Against Equal Protection Under the Law?33:00 – The Different Roles of the Three Branches of Government37:11 – Different Strategies Available to Us40:20 – The Need for Cultural Renewal45:05 – Has There Been Any Movement Towards an Abolitionist Bill in Texas?48:38 – What Would Be Effective Against Chemical Abortions?51:28 – An Area Where Abolitionists & Incrementalists Could Unite52:35 – Are Pastors Being Trained on the Doctrine of Humanity?55:43 – Are There Particular Places in Culture Where Christians Should Be Involved?1:00:00 – The Responsibility Our Churches Have Toward This Issue1:02:05 – Final Thoughts & David Closson’s Prayer1:04:36 – OutroResources to Click“A Case for Abortion Incrementallism” – David Closson“Abortion in America After the Fall of Roe: Important Advances and Remaining Challenges” – David Closson“We are Abolitionists” – Free the States“Immediate, Not Gradual Abolition of Abortion” – James Silberman“Abolitionist Perspective on the Texas Heartbeat Bill: Three Quick Observations” – James SilbermanAbolition vs Incrementalism: A Panel Discussion – The Danbury Institute“A National Survey of Churchgoing Americans: Social Issues and Worldview” – Center for Biblical Worldview“Planned Parenthood closes Rolla, MO facility, will continue telehealth” – Nancy Flanders“Planned Parenthood closes 20 clinics after Medicaid cuts, warns of grim future” – Praveena Somasundaram“Two New Studies Provide Broadest Evidence to Date of Unequal Impacts of Abortion Bans” – Blomberg School“How Many Abortions are Occurring in America Post-Dobbs?” – Mia SteupertTheme of the Month: Abolishing Abortion, Advocating for LifeGive to Support the WorkBooks to ReadLife After Roe: Equipping Christians in the Fight for Life Today – David Closson

ABOUT THE EPISODEVirtually all concrete and measurable gains against the abortion industry since the overturning of Roe v. Wade in 2022 have been through incremental strategies, while abolitionism has yet to result in the passage of a single law.Resources to Click“A Case for Abortion Incrementallism” – David Closson“Abortion in America After the Fall of Roe: Important Advances and Remaining Challenges” – David Closson“We are Abolitionists” – Free the States“Immediate, Not Gradual Abolition of Abortion” – James Silberman“Abolitionist Perspective on the Texas Heartbeat Bill: Three Quick Observations” – James SilbermanAbolition vs Incrementalism: A Panel Discussion – The Danbury Institute“A National Survey of Churchgoing Americans: Social Issues and Worldview” – Center for Biblical Worldview“Planned Parenthood closes Rolla, MO facility, will continue telehealth” – Nancy Flanders“Planned Parenthood closes 20 clinics after Medicaid cuts, warns of grim future” – Praveena Somasundaram“Two New Studies Provide Broadest Evidence to Date of Unequal Impacts of Abortion Bans” – Blomberg School“How Many Abortions are Occurring in America Post-Dobbs?” – Mia SteupertTheme of the Month: Abolishing Abortion, Advocating for LifeGive to Support the WorkBooks to ReadLife After Roe: Equipping Christians in the Fight for Life Today – David Closson

ABOUT THE EPISODEListen in as the Editorial Board for Christ Over All reviews the year of 2025 and looks forward to what's coming in 2026.Timestamps00:17 – Intro02:05 – Favorite Theme Cover of the Year10:40 – Notable COA Articles Throughout the Year24:22 – Why COA Publishes the Articles That They Do30:58 – The Cross in the Old Testament34:34 – The Paterfamilias36:56 – The Nicene Creed41:07 – One Gospel, Four Witnesses41:50 – Get to Work: Grasping the Doctrine of Vocation44:17 – Essential, Not Optional: Retrieving Biblical Theology48:06 – Do the Reading: Selections in Political Theology52:06 – Christmas Buffet55:35 – Where COA is Going in 20261:05:55 – Closing Thoughts & Outro Resources to ClickCOA Themes Page“When Women in: Recognizing the Subtleties of Feminine Vice” – Abigail Dodds“The Dangerous Secret Your Young Men Are Keeping: Neo-Nazi Thought Has Entered the Church” – Will Spencer“Encore: Yuval Harari: Getting to Know the Enemy (of Humanity)” – Greg Scott“Herbert Marcuse and the Reality of Sin” – Brad Green“Ten Words about Words: Getting a Grip on Godly Speech” – David Schrock“We Can’t Replace Charlie Kirk, But We Can Honor His Legacy: Five Ways to Amplify Truth, Freedom, and the American Way” – Colin Smothers & David Schrock“The Turning Point of a Generation: Remembering Charlie Kirk” – Scott Polender“A North Star for Our Generation: A Tribute to Voddie Baucham” – David Schrock & Trent Hunter“A Personal Tribute to John MacArthur (1939-2025)” – Ardel Caneday“Mark 13 is Not About Jesus’s Second Coming” – Trent Hunter“Vocation Politics: The Discourses of Pierre de La Place” – Timon Cline“Law is King: How the Bible Shapes Our View of Law & Civil Government” – Levi SecordTheme of the Month: Christmas BuffetGive to Support the WorkBooks to ReadWhat is Critical Theory?: A Concise Christian Analysis – Bradley G. GreenServant Not Savior: An Introduction to the Bible’s Teaching about Civil Government – Levi Secord

ABOUT THE EPISODEListen in as David Schrock & Stephen Wellum interview Alex Kocman on his COA Longform Essay "Was Jesus a Refugee? And Why It Matters for Immigration"Timestamps00:30 – Intro04:50 – Alex’s Role in ABWE & Christmas Teaching07:37 – What is a Refugee?09:22 – How Do We Seek to Correctly Interpret Scripture?11:20 – Refugees and Migration15:10 – What Does Scripture Say in Regards to the Refugee, Sojourner, etc.?18:00 – What Makes it Difficult to Think in Categories?21:25 – Thinking About How These Things Affect Nationhood25:52 – What Key Things Should We See from Matthew 2?29:39 – What is the Main Emphasis of the Gospel of Matthew?33:00 – What are the Dissimilarities Between Immigrant and Refugee?36:57 – What are the Church’s and State’s Responsibilities Towards These People?43:40 – Dr. Wellum’s Perspective on Immigration50:26 – The Order Amoris56:14 – Final Thoughts57:23 – OutroResources to Click“Was Jesus a Refugee? And Why It Matters for the Immigration Issue” – Alex Kocman“Christian Nationalism Misconceptions with David Schrock & Steve Wellum” – The Missions Podcast“Jesus Was a Refugee” – He Gets Us“Yes, Jesus Was a Refugee” – Russell Moore“Jesus Was a Refugee and an Immigrant” – Lindsay Popperson“Jesus Was a Refugee” – Salt“Pastor Defends Illegal Alien by Saying the Bible is about “God saving us through immigration”” – Not the Bee“U.S. Code, Title 8, Aliens and Nationality ẞ1101(a)(42)” – Legal Information Institute“Refugees: 2024” – Amanda Yap, U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security“Desecrations, threats, and silence: anti-Christian violence grips France” – Gavin Mortimer“Arson Attacks on Christian Churches Rise to Record High in Germany” – Kurt Zindulka“Some migrant groups are ‘disproportionately criminal’ due to cultural factors, claims renowned Swiss forensic psychiatrist” – Thomas Brooke“Dublin protestors clash with police, burn vehicle after migrant accused of sexually assaulting Irish girl” – Michael Dorgan“Police accused of covering up alleged asylum seeker child rape for fear of ‘Inflaming community tensions’” – Kurt Zindulka“British Parliament rejects inquiry in the ongoing pedophile rape-gang scandal (by a wide majority)” – Edward TeachTheme of the Month: Christmas BuffetGive to Support the Work