Diane Musho Hamilton | Waking Up & Growing Up

Apr 1, 2025

In this engaging conversation, Diane Musho Hamilton, an award-winning mediator and Zen meditation teacher, delves into the concepts of 'waking up' and 'growing up' and their importance in today's world. She shares personal stories of resilience and discusses how emotional development and contemplative practices aid in navigating adversity. The dialogue touches on the significance of community, the nuances of conflict resolution, and how meditation can foster emotional regulation. Diane emphasizes the impact of trauma healing on societal growth and the interconnectedness of personal and collective evolution.

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ANECDOTE

Diane's Pandemic Transformation

Diane Musho Hamilton experienced initial pandemic rest followed by deep personal losses including her mother's death from COVID and her son's psychosis.
Her meditation practice and mindfulness were essential in navigating fear, grief, and caregiving challenges during that time.

INSIGHT

Waking Up vs. Growing Up

"Waking up" means realizing our true, timeless nature, relieving existential dread and division.
"Growing up" refers to evolving over time in emotional maturity and complexity toward inclusion and expansiveness.

INSIGHT

Expanding Identity and Emotional Growth

Adult development involves expanding identity from egocentric to cosmic-centric, increasing emotional maturity and tolerance.
Greater emotional intelligence fosters altruism, community engagement, and inclusion beyond self-interest.

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Thomas and Zen teacher, mediator, and author Diane Musho Hamilton explore two key spiritual concepts—waking up and growing up— and why they’re so crucial in our rapidly changing world. Diane shares personal stories of loss, challenge, and resilience, and how contemplative practice and emotional development became essential tools for navigating adversity.

They discuss spiritual practice, recognizing interconnectedness, and conflict resolution as necessary pathways for individual and collective growth. They also touch on the impact of technology, the importance of community, the role of ritual, and how healing personal trauma can scale up to have a larger social impact.

Diane offers deep insights into consciousness and integration, the benefits and limits of meditation, and the vulnerability of spiritual communities when they lack tools to navigate conflict and manipulation.

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Diane Musho Hamilton is an award-winning mediator, author, and teacher of Zen meditation. Her next book is Waking Up and Growing Up: Spiritual Cross-Training for an Evolving World.

Connect with Diane here: 👉 http://www.dianemushohamilton.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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