Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl

Explore the tension between escaping and fully engaging with life. Discover how cultivating inner spaciousness fosters creativity and presence. Reflect on the importance of being an ally to others as we navigate societal detox processes. Learn how stillness can spark innovation and transform personal challenges into collective healing. Examine the relationship between individual practices and global change, illustrating the power of community in processing trauma. Dive deep into how engaging with our past can lead to future healing and innovation.

In this engaging discussion, john a. powell, a law professor and director of the Othering and Belonging Institute at UC Berkeley, delves into the complexities of 'othering.' He explains how our need for belonging often leads to the social divide, emphasizing that storytelling is key to building large cooperative communities. Powerfully, he contrasts fear-driven narratives with connecting stories that foster inclusion. Join this thought-provoking exploration of our interconnectedness and the transformative potential of shared stories.

In this insightful conversation, Pádraig Ó Tuama, an Irish poet and theologian, explores the impact of spiritual trauma on identity and belonging. He shares his personal journey as a young gay man and how church communities can both uplift and betray. Pádraig discusses the intertwining of Irish identity with religion and politics, revealing historical traumas. He emphasizes creativity and poetry as vital forms of healing, illustrating their power through his reading of "The Exorcism." It's a profound reflection on reclaiming one’s identity through art.

Rae Riedel, co-founder and primary educator of Integrative Breath, shares her extensive knowledge from decades in mind-body modalities and somatic therapy. She reveals how breathwork can transform consciousness and aid trauma healing by acting as a conduit between the conscious and unconscious mind. The discussion dives into the science of breathing, how it affects the nervous system, and identifies trauma patterns within breath. Rae also leads a guided practice to help listeners connect more deeply with their breath and vitality.

The beauty of the spiritual path lies in not having a fixed destination.This week, Thomas Hübl shares a teaching that opens us to a different mode of knowing—one that is emergent, direct, and arises from surrendering to its flow rather than attempting to control it.Tune in for a radical redefinition of the spiritual journey and learn how to embrace your unique agency in co-creating reality, refine your inner listening, and deepen your understanding of key mystical principles.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:🎬https://youtu.be/TlSyVX65sX0Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHueblYouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here:👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.comTake our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9Mentioned in this episode:Collective Trauma Summit 2025✨ Join us at the 7th annual Collective Trauma Summit, a FREE 7-day online gathering with embodied practices, guided reflection, powerful interviews, and live events, guided by Thomas and over 40 expert leaders in trauma-healing, embodiment, somatics, and social change. Speakers include Dr. Richard Schwartz, Prentis Hemphill, Cheryl Strayed, Francis Weller, Gabby Bernstein, Rick Hanson, Sonya Renee Taylor, and many more. This year, we’ve partnered with mission-driven organizations, including the Internal Family Systems Institute, the Embodiment Institute, Poetry Unbound, and more, to help you deepen your understanding of trauma and see how healing can become a force for transformation in your life, your community, and the world. We hope to see you there!CTS2025

Esther Perel, a renowned psychotherapist, and Jack Saul, a psychologist and trauma expert, dive deep into the transformative power of relational healing. They discuss how creativity can help individuals navigate trauma and improve relationships. Highlights include exploring intergenerational trauma, the significance of physical touch, and the healing effects of shared narratives. The conversation emphasizes the importance of compassion and community in overcoming individual and collective suffering, making for an enlightening exchange on healing through connection.

Dive into the fascinating interplay between science and spirituality. Discover how integrating these two realms can enrich our lives and promote healing. Explore the intersections of neuroscience, quantum mechanics, and meditation, revealing how trauma shapes our perception and intuition. Learn how practicing presence can bridge the gap, creating intimacy with life and unlocking profound insights. This discussion emphasizes the potential for a unified understanding of reality, paving the way for innovative shifts in our worldview.

Today, we’re sharing an excerpt from Thomas’ conversation with acclaimed travel writer, author, and speaker Pico Iyer at the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit. Pico’s extensive travels and journeys into the realms of Buddhism and meditation have deeply inspired and informed his creative process. They also brought him into close contact with another artist and meditation practitioner, the legendary musician Leonard Cohen. In this snippet from his Summit talk, Pico shares his experience witnessing Cohen's dedicated Zen practice and how Cohen later brought this sacred, surrendered quality from his meditation practice into his concert performances, transforming them into communal, sacred experiences. Within this experience, there are profound lessons about accepting impermanence and surrendering to something beyond your individual self.If you’re moved by this conversation and want to hear the full talk, sign up at the link below, and we’ll notify you as soon as details are announced for the 2025 Collective Trauma Summit, taking place online this fall.https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/#email-signup ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/-BLc08UQqF8Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Pico Iyer is the author of 17 books of fiction and nonfiction, translated into 23 languages, on subjects ranging from globalism and mysticism to the Dalai Lama. He is a longtime essayist for Time, The New York Times, and over 250 publications worldwide. Born in Oxford to Indian parents, he was educated at Eton, Oxford, and Harvard, and has lived in Japan since 1987.Connect with Pico here:👉 https://picoiyerjourneys.com/Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World,” here:👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.comTake our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9

A deep meditation practice doesn’t help you bypass your problems; it helps you move through them with presence and embodied awareness.This week, Thomas is joined by his dear friends, longtime students, and meditation instructors Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders, for a deep dive into the healing power of meditation and how to integrate your meditation practice into every moment of your life.Learn to transform your practice into a way of living and find deeper intimacy with your life’s journey, your spirit, and yourself. Explore the importance of trauma-informed approaches and community support in meditation, and find out how this important element of a spiritual practice can lead to larger-scale social progress and collective healing.And if you want to go even deeper on this topic and gain more wisdom and insights to carry into your meditation practice, join Martin and Susanne this September for their 4-week live online course: Deepening Meditation: Stillness, Heart, and Relationality.Whether you’re a longtime practitioner or a first-time meditator, this course will teach you how to access a meditative state no matter what life brings you and open yourself to deeper connections and inner wisdom.Learn more and sign up for the course at: https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course-sept-2025/ ✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/6MiQBxUF6soVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Susanne Ahlendorf is a non-medical practitioner for psychotherapy, a group leader for meditation and Inner Science practice, who accompanies people on their personal and spiritual development path. For her, meditation is a way of unfolding love in life.Connect with Susanne here:www.susanneahlendorf.de✨ Martin Bruders is a qualified social worker, mediator, and coach. He worked for over 28 years as a comedian and presenter at over 2000 corporate events in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. His inner exploration journey is as much about his meditation practice as it is about his daily life. He loves to permeate life deeper and deeper, always in search of intimacy with the divine; sometimes succeeding, sometimes failing.Connect with Martin here:www.martinbruders.deExplore more teachings and meditations from Martin and Susanne via their co-founded organization, Make Space for Grace, here:👉 www.makespaceforgrace.deAnd subscribe to their YouTube channel here:👉 http://www.youtube.com/@makespaceforgrace1158Sign up for the free monthly Living Meditation Stream with Martin and Susanne, an online opportunity to learn meditation skills and connect with our community:👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditationEnroll in the Deepening Meditation course, which begins on September 4th:👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course-sept-2025/✨ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World,” here:👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.comTake our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9Mentioned in this episode:Collective Trauma Summit 2025✨ Join us at the 7th annual Collective Trauma Summit, a FREE 7-day online gathering with embodied practices, guided reflection, powerful interviews, and live events, guided by Thomas and over 40 expert leaders in trauma-healing, embodiment, somatics, and social change. Speakers include Dr. Richard Schwartz, Prentis Hemphill, Cheryl Strayed, Francis Weller, Gabby Bernstein, Rick Hanson, Sonya Renee Taylor, and many more. This year, we’ve partnered with mission-driven organizations, including the Internal Family Systems Institute, the Embodiment Institute, Poetry Unbound, and more, to help you deepen your understanding of trauma and see how healing can become a force for transformation in your life, your community, and the world. We hope to see you there!CTS2025

How does crossing the threshold of grief open the gateway to other potent emotions?In part two of their conversation on grief, healing, and social transformation, Thomas and Francis Weller discuss what it means to become an apprentice to grief, how communal healing leads to individual and social maturity, and why it’s so important to lean into our interconnectedness when times are tough.Explore what’s lacking in Western cultures’ approach to processing grief and what might change if we create collective spaces, led by seasoned elders, to connect through our shared sorrows. Can we reclaim our humanity and remember how to live in harmony with the world? Francis believes that we can, but we must have the courage to look inward, sit in the heat of our own grief, and not turn away.✨ Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/kDhGhHSOSawVideo episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Francis Weller, MFT, is a psychotherapist, author, and soul activist. He is a master of synthesizing diverse streams of thought from psychology, anthropology, mythology, alchemy, Indigenous cultures, and poetic traditions. His books, including The Wild Edge of Sorrow, have introduced the healing work of ritual to thousands of people. Francis founded and directs WisdomBridge, an organization that offers educational programs that seek to integrate the wisdom from Indigenous cultures with the insights and knowledge gathered from Western poetic, psychological, and spiritual traditions. For more than forty years, Francis has worked as a psychotherapist and developed a style he calls soul-centered psychotherapy.Connect with Francis here:👉 www.francisweller.netOrder Francis' book, In the Absence of the Ordinary, here:👉 https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/784313/in-the-absence-of-the-ordinary-by-francis-wellerOrder Francis' book, The Wild Edge of Sorrow, here:👉 https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/250673/the-wild-edge-of-sorrow-by-francis-wellerThomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.✨ Connect with Thomas here:Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s newest book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World,” here:👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.comTake our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future:👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9Mentioned in this episode:Collective Trauma Summit 2025✨ Join us at the 7th annual Collective Trauma Summit, a FREE 7-day online gathering with embodied practices, guided reflection, powerful interviews, and live events, guided by Thomas and over 40 expert leaders in trauma-healing, embodiment, somatics, and social change. Speakers include Dr. Richard Schwartz, Prentis Hemphill, Cheryl Strayed, Francis Weller, Gabby Bernstein, Rick Hanson, Sonya Renee Taylor, and many more. This year, we’ve partnered with mission-driven organizations, including the Internal Family Systems Institute, the Embodiment Institute, Poetry Unbound, and more, to help you deepen your understanding of trauma and see how healing can become a force for transformation in your life, your community, and the world. We hope to see you there!CTS2025