Thomas and Zen teacher, mediator, and author Diane Musho Hamilton explore two key spiritual concepts—waking up and growing up— and why they’re so crucial in our rapidly changing world. Diane shares personal stories of loss, challenge, and resilience, and how contemplative practice and emotional development became essential tools for navigating adversity.  They discuss spiritual practice, recognizing interconnectedness, and conflict resolution as necessary pathways for individual and collective growth. They also touch on the impact of technology, the importance of community, the role of ritual, and how healing personal trauma can scale up to have a larger social impact. Diane offers deep insights into consciousness and integration, the benefits and limits of meditation, and the vulnerability of spiritual communities when they lack tools to navigate conflict and manipulation. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/AnnfzZ_1fC0 ✨ NEW Live, Online Course from Thomas -  Practicing Meditation: Breath, Body, and Vitality Deepen your meditation practice and harmonize mind, body, and emotions in this 4-week online course from Thomas Hübl’s authorized instructors, Martin Bruders and Susanne Ahlendorf. Through guided practices and interactive sessions, you’ll strengthen your ability to listen for the essential wisdom within every experience. Open to beginners, long-time practitioners, and everything in between! Learn more & Register Here: 👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course/    Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future: 👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    Diane Musho Hamilton is an award-winning mediator, author, and teacher of Zen meditation. Her next book is Waking Up and Growing Up: Spiritual Cross-Training for an Evolving World. Connect with Diane here:  👉 http://www.dianemushohamilton.com   Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl   ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/    ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

In this guided meditation, Thomas invites you to explore the current state of your mind. Explore your attachment to your thoughts and welcome a greater sense of presence and curiosity.   Watch the video version of the episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/Q0Tty5OWpwI   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    ✨ NEW Live, Online Course -  Practicing Meditation: Breath, Body, and Vitality Deepen your meditation practice and harmonize mind, body, and emotions in this 4-week online course from Thomas Hübl’s authorized instructors, Martin Bruders and Susanne Ahlendorf. Through guided practices and interactive sessions, you’ll strengthen your ability to listen for the essential wisdom within every experience. Open to beginners, long-time practitioners, and everything in between! Learn more & Register Here: 👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course/    Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl  

Thomas and award-winning reproductive justice and human rights leader Loretta J. Ross explore how we can address inequality, oppression, and hate in an atmosphere of political division and fast-paced technological progress. Loretta shares experiences that helped her form more effective strategies to solve social problems collectively and build inclusive movements that fight oppression with love, hope, and community instead of hate, anger, and vengeance. She and Thomas discuss the concept of “Calling In” – an accountability process that focuses on respect, engagement, and equal partnership, and how this is more effective than the adversarial “calling out” that we’re used to. Loretta explains how this practice can help social justice movements embrace diversity of thought and stop destructive in-fighting.   Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/T30HuFnQaHs   ✨ NEW Live, Online Course -  Practicing Meditation: Breath, Body, and Vitality Deepen your meditation practice and harmonize mind, body, and emotions in this 4-week online course from Thomas Hübl’s authorized instructors, Martin Bruders and Susanne Ahlendorf. Learn meditations and techniques to calm the mind, ground the body, and find freedom in your emotional perception without judgment. Through guided practices and interactive sessions, you’ll strengthen your ability to listen for the essential wisdom within every experience. Open to beginners, long-time practitioners, and everything in between! Learn more & Register Here: 👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course/    Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future: 👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    Loretta J. Ross is a renowned activist, scholar, and pioneer of the 1970’s movement to end violence against women that laid the groundwork for the #MeToo movement. She founded the first U.S. center for creative human rights education and has deprogrammed hate group members, inspiring her upcoming book, Calling In the Calling Out Culture. She was inducted into the National Women's Hall of Fame in 2023. Connect with Loretta here:  👉 https://lorettajross.com  Read Loretta's newest book: Calling In: How to Start Making Change With Those You'd Rather Cancel 👉 https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Calling-In/Loretta-J-Ross/9781982190798 Take Loretta's E-Course: Calling In: Navigating Conversations and Cultivating Compassionate Connections 👉 https://speakoutinstitute.thinkific.com/courses/Calling-In-Navigating-Challenging-Conversations-and-Cultivating-Compassionate-Connections   Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl   ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/    ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Thomas dives deep into the relationship between spirituality and healing, exploring how maturing our relationship with the divine provides incredible resources on our journey of self-discovery and ethical development.  This teaching expands on the core spiritual principle of grace, its relationship to forgiveness, and the importance of owning your choices and transgressions as you expand your consciousness and connection to spirit. Thomas explores how to regain connection to our spiritual essence after pain and trauma disrupt it. When crises put us out of synch, those broken parts allow light to come in, and new opportunities to emerge…if we’re open to them. Life wants to heal, and a strong spiritual practice can activate healing that ripples out into the collective.   Watch the video version of the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/talGozg6_Ps   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas and Dr. Lisa Miller, a clinical psychologist, professor, and NYT bestselling author, explore humans’ innate capacity for spirituality. Dr. Lisa explains how neuroscience and cutting-edge research help us understand our hard-wired drive for spiritual awareness and what these discoveries mean for the way we approach our spiritual journeys…and our entire lives. According to Dr. Miller, we’re all receptive to transcendent relationships, we are all emanations of the same source, and there is hard science to back this up. She and Thomas discuss how connection with others can deepen our spiritual experiences and how important it is to align with life’s natural rhythms. They also explore how trauma can be a pathway to spiritual growth and awakening, and Dr. Miller offers a guided practice for experiencing transcendence and awakening to our spiritual awareness. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/QGullrqfGdc   Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future: 👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    Lisa Miller, Ph.D., is a clinical researcher, professor, speaker, and the New York Times bestselling author of The Spiritual Child and The Awakened Brain. She’s the founder and director of the Spirituality Mind Body Institute, the first Ivy League graduate program and research institute in spirituality and psychology, and editor of the Oxford University Press Handbook of Psychology and Spirituality. ✨ Connect with Dr. Miller here: 👉 https://www.lisamillerphd.com   Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Thomas is joined by Mathieu Lefevre, co-founder of More In Common, to explore the growing polarization in society and the surprising ways in which we are actually more united than we think.  Mathieu discusses his extensive research on social divisions in the U.S. and Europe, revealing how social media and news media create a distorted mirror of reality that exaggerates our differences. He explains the concept of perception gaps, where people overestimate how extreme their opponents’ views are, and offers insights on how to bridge these divides. Thomas and Mathieu examine the critical role of listening, intergroup contact, and shared spaces in fostering social cohesion. As climate change and other global challenges put increasing pressure on our collective resilience, we need new forms of collaboration and understanding so that we can move beyond toxic division and build a healthier, more connected society. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/sO1dyQrhcgY   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    Mathieu Lefevre is the Co-Founder and CEO of More in Common, a non-profit working to understand the forces driving us apart, find common ground, and bring people together to tackle shared challenges. He was previously a Co-Founder of Make.org, one of the largest civic tech companies in Europe, and led a think tank on the future of global cities. Mathieu also served as a Political Officer in the United Nations’ Department of Peacekeeping Operations. ✨ Connect with Mathieu here: 👉 https://www.moreincommon.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

How can we stop repeating patterns from the past? Thomas Hübl explores what it will take for individuals and societies to respond maturely to the current atmosphere of collective stress and not give in to polarizing and fragmenting forces. In our lives and in our histories, we see repeating patterns and often react in unhealthy ways. To address these collective issues, we need to look inside—check in with ourselves when we’re triggered, and develop a more fluid and integrated perspective.  Thomas shares how integrating our wounds, practicing embodiment, and developing a more mature inner world can lead to greater clarity, compassion, and capacity to handle stress. Our inner experience has an ecosystemic effect, so we must create spaces, practices, and rituals—a healing architecture to process our past. Only then can we move fluidly into the future and become the wise elders that the world so needs.   Want to watch the video version of the episode on YouTube? Follow this link: https://youtu.be/QuEtyzTfr5w   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas explores three dimensions of time that shape our spiritual practice, and our healing journeys: the flowing 'river of time,' the frozen pockets of trauma that disrupt its movement, and the profound stillness of timelessness. Through deep introspection and integration, uncover how to transform stuck patterns into a liberated flow, embracing the wisdom of both modern psychology and ancient traditions.  This bonus podcast episode is dropping on the two-year anniversary of Point of Relation! Stay tuned at the end of the episode for a special greeting from our podcast team (and their pets). And thank you so much for being a part of our community.   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas is joined by author, artist, and founder and CEO of Adaptive Leadership, Zander Grashow, for a conversation on the type of leadership that’s needed as humanity faces an unprecedented acceleration of social and technological change.  In order for us to meet this moment, we need to dismantle broken and corrupted systems, develop new social and relational skills, and collectively re-imagine the future that we want to work towards. This requires us to stay engaged despite the difficulty, and find our passion instead of leaning into despair. Zander offers his take on the most important elements of leading our societies into that better future—learning to feel into our bodies and our emotions, identifying what we must let go of, understanding the structures of power, creating safe spaces to digest events, and building more resilient social fabrics in community.   Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/Wlh0UEAUqJk   ✨ Become a member of Thomas Hübl’s online global community, The Mystic Café, and join us for Nourishing Your Nervous System: A 7-Day Reset. Embark on a 7-day journey designed to nurture your nervous system, restore balance, and awaken vitality. Through daily teachings, practical exercises, and a connected community, you’ll rediscover a sense of grounding, creativity, and freedom. Learn more & join the 7-Day Reset here: 👉 https://www.mysticcafeonline.com   ✨ Are you feeling called to guide others in embodied spiritual practice, conscious relational skill-building, and contemplative exploration? Do you want to create and lead a Thomas Hübl Practice Group in your community, or add greater depth to your personal practice? Join our Global Cohort of the Practice Group Leader Training (PGLT), led by Thomas’ authorized instructors Eva Geidt and Rae Riedel. Learn more and apply here: https://www.thomashuebl.net/pglt-global-cohort-3-application   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    A recognized authority on Adaptive Leadership and change, Zander Grashow has been a confidential advisor to presidents, activists and change agents in their most critical moments of transition. Zander is a renowned facilitator, speaker and advisor to leaders around the world, with a broad reach into the activist, global business, philanthropic, entrepreneurial and creative communities. He believes every person should have the ability to evolve their life and work. ✨ Connect with Zander here: 👉 https://www.adaptandlead.com   Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Thomas is joined by educator, musician, activist, and creator of First Voices Radio, Tiokasin Ghosthorse. Tiokasin is a member of the Cheyenne River Lakota Nation of South Dakota, and shares deep wisdom from the Lakota worldview, language, and traditions. He and Thomas explore ways for us to redefine our relationship with Mother Earth, moving away from a mindset of separation and domination towards one of interconnectedness, mutual becoming, and intuition. Tiokasin shares how we can be more in tune with Earth’s natural rhythm to become more present in the now and more connected to the future. The Indigenous way of being involves an openness to seeing and feeling our ancestors—not just our human ancestors, but also the earth itself. Tiokasin stresses the need for us to de-center humans in order to reconnect with nature, and demonstrates how understanding the living Lakota language can affect a cultural mindset shift in that direction. To watch the video version of this episode, visit: 🎬 https://youtu.be/yvWaf-WMPRY ✨ Become a member of Thomas Hübl’s online global community, The Mystic Café, and join us for Nourishing Your Nervous System: A 7-Day Reset. Embark on a 7-day journey designed to nurture your nervous system, restore balance, and awaken vitality. Through daily teachings, practical exercises, and a connected community, you’ll rediscover a sense of grounding, creativity, and freedom. Learn more & join the 7-Day Reset here: 👉 https://www.mysticcafeonline.com   ✨ Are you feeling called to guide others in embodied spiritual practice, conscious relational skill-building, and contemplative exploration? Do you want to create and lead a Thomas Hübl Practice Group in your community, or add greater depth to your personal practice? Join our Global Cohort of the Practice Group Leader Training (PGLT), led by Thomas’ authorized instructors Eva Geidt and Rae Riedel. Learn more and apply here: https://www.thomashuebl.net/pglt-global-cohort-3-application   ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    Tiokasin Ghosthorse is an educator, musician, and international speaker on peace. He is a member of the Cheyenne River Lakota Nation of South Dakota and has a long history with Indigenous activism and advocacy. Tiokasin is the Founder, Host, and Executive Producer of First Voices Radio. In 2016, he received a Nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize and is the recipient of numerous other awards and honors for the arts, music, and community work. Tiokasin is a master musician of the Lakota cedar flute(s) where stories and cultural knowledge are conveyed through music. ✨ Connect with Tiokasin here: 👉 https://akantuInstitute.org 👉 https://www.firstvoicesindigenousradio.org   Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/  ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com